[Gendergap] Accidental Troll Policy - beyond gender gap

Hi Theo, thank you for documenting my experience on meta, clearly a rookie mistake on my part, I hadn't revisited that page since and just now saw Sarah S note. I'm not giving up but I'm still figuring out the best way/area to contribute. I'll definitely reach out for guidance in navigating WMF :) G. White had a good/well articulated point too, specifically the <<.. framing our response as a whole-of-organisation *technology*, *policy and curation project *that is needed as a result of organisational growth. >> For a global organization of this scale that’s built primarily on people & technology, the demands on a 170-employee must be enormous, so a holistic approach including technology, policy and curation is sensible. I can’t speak for the technology part I have little expertise there, but the reason I started this topic was to make the case for the “people’s” part – specifically around *accountability* and *representation* (women and others). This idea is not novel, far from it, but in my sense the latter is highly contingent on the former. it would seem this is a small part of a larger conversation. :) Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 09:59:33 +0530 From: Theo10011 &lt;de10011(a)gmail.com&gt; To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects &lt;gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Accidental Troll Policy - beyond gender gap Message-ID: &lt;CAP9+R94g4Tj6bTOOXPMK6JkJ=LQxX4ZV4DGfMiim9EBtzP4ymQ(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi Sylvia I share some of your concerns and agree with your insightful observations. My comments are inline- On Sat, May 11, 2013, Sylvia Ventura &lt;sylvia.ventura(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Yes, agreed. Those are some smart observations. I generally agree with your concerns above and also fear that as corporations get larger, our privacy, and its value might be getting smaller. As more devices get networked together, our digital footprint increases several folds- our phones, televisions, PCs and the information retained in them, all converge at some point. From a privacy stand-point, the future does seem to have a bleak outlook. I only have a minor disagreement with the last statement. As Thomas already pointed out, merely spotting a fake ID doesn't really have the same limitations. The entire system is predicated on the idea that the user in question chooses to be honest. The system is only effective for those who choose to be bound by it. A user can choose to provide a false email address, a false name, or a completely fictitious identity, and the only way to discern would be to physically visit them and ask to see their papers - which seems an even more draconian interpretation of the original thought. An insightful thought. We do trade ease vs. privacy more and more; perhaps not directly related, but we do have a unified login across all projects and languages - one login can be used automatically across all Wikimedia projects. And now, we have an upcoming initiative whereby remaining accounts across all projects would be unified under one login(SUL). It would certainly promote access (which we already have), even force it, but who knows if we might have traded something for it along the way. Going back slightly to the original issue you mentioned about Meta. I looked for your username across meta, and only found this mention[1]. But it doesn't link to a user account, instead and goes to a red-link in the main namespace for Slv[2]. I see Sarah also left a message on the associated talk page without realizing that it wasn't a user talk page. Now, working off the assumption that this was the issue your encountered, it only means that you didn't technically create or log-in to your account on Meta, and instead created an article perhaps. Mediawiki divides things between namespace and a userspace (lets call it your profile - "user:<your ID>"). The namespace is reserved for articles only, which on Meta means- essays, policy pages, stroopwafel addiction pages, discussions pertaining to multiple projects or languages (more or less). An admin would delete anything that they deem doesn't fit into the description of the project, but they hardly ever ban a user outright for that misunderstanding. Meta community is actually pretty lax and gives more leeway for new users. The biggest difference between a friendly and a new environment, is familiarity with other users. Interacting with other users and admins makes a great deal of difference for new users. I would suggest that you don't abandon Meta yet, and consider engaging again. As far as Meta goes, if you ever have any issues or queries, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page there [4], I would do my utmost to help when I can. Regards Theo [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomen%27s_Collaborative/Blogs/Coordinato… [2]http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slv&action=edit&redli… [3]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Slv [4]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Theo10011