It would be very easy for us to host a two hour session in London on a weekday evening at the UK offices. I am fairly sure we could get a bunch of admins and others to attend, aside from some of the London regulars who have agreed in principle, a geonotice would likely attract more.

I have no problem arranging the room, putting up a geonotice and being an attendee. However I would need a volunteer to run the session. That isn't just because I'm the wrong gender to run such an event, but at the moment I don't know what changes in behaviour you would be hoping to train people into. 

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


On 29 Dec 2014, at 18:28, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Anne, Kerry and Christina - and everyone else,

So the Wikimedia Conference programme committee appears keen to do something useful in terms of creating space for gender - gap work. So I wondered if you had any further thoughts about what *might* work at the Wikimedia Conference.

As Anne points out it is an audience of people from Wikimedia movement organisations - board members, executive directors (where they exist), and a smaller number of other staff. Compared to other Wikimedia events there is probably a greater language and geographical diversity. There is also a reasonable degree of awareness of the issue - better than one would find if you put english Wikipedia administrators in a room.

The main focus for the conference is going to be on helping Wikimedia organisations grow, learn and improve - we are looking to give people practical outcomes, and are avoiding theoretical discussion as far as possible.

Thoughts on what we can put in the programme on this issue are very welcome :) (I'll pass everything on to the programme committee, though I suspect I'm not the only member of it subscribed to this list).

Thanks and happy new year!

Chris

On 19 Dec 2014 07:21, "Kerry Raymond" <kerry.raymond@gmail.com> wrote:

Can I suggest that the Wikimedia Conference do a train-the-trainer session with a view to the chapters running sessions locally in addition to the Wikimania session. Not many people get to go to Wikimania so the chapters approach would be more scalable.

 

Kerry

 

 

From: gendergap-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:gendergap-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Risker
Sent: Friday, 19 December 2014 2:16 AM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participationof women within Wikimedia projects.
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries

 

While it might be suitable as a "pilot" at the Wikimedia Conference (I promise not to harp on the name here), it's a by-invitation conference focused on chapter/affiliate executives, many of whom have very limited on-wiki presence.  I'm not persuaded that they're the target audience. 

 

In fact, I'd suggest this would probably be best suited to a full-day session targeted at active Wikimedia project administrators and those with higher level permissions (think: oversighters, who frequently deal with requests from women who feel harassed because of gender; checkusers tracking down sockpuppets of harassers, and stewards, who can act in either role on projects that don't have their own CU/OS).  There is not much overlap between these active on-wiki leaders and the leaders of chapters/affiliates.  Strikes me that this would be more ideal for Wikimania, perhaps as a pre-WM session if that can be arranged.

 

Risker/anne

 

On 18 December 2014 at 11:04, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Christina - this sounds very interesting - would you be happy for me to propose it as a possible topic in the Wikimedia Conference, for which I'm on the programme committee?

 

Chris

 

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Christina Burger <christina.burger@wikimedia.de> wrote:

Hi everyone,

Please allow me to briefly introduce myself before coming to the
point: I am Christina Dinar and I work at Wikimedia Deutschland for
1,5 years now. Originally, I was employed to take care of community
projects that address newbies and enhance the diversity in Wikipedia
as well other Wikimedia projects. I came with the professional
background of doing workshops with young adults in political
education, doing diversity trainings in order to address some of their
existing social and violent behavioral problems with each other.
Somehow it never got to that moment that I could actually offer this
knowledge and experience to the German Wikipedia Community–my
professional focus here shifted and I started to work in other fields.

Coming from this background, I could definitely offer a diversity
workshop at Wikimania, for functionaries as well as on the level of
introduction as a train-the-trainer. We even have developed diversity
guidelines (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charting_diversity), that
theoretically frame the approach on diversity to the specifics of the
Wikimedia world. If I get some positive feedback on offering this
workshop at Wikimania–ideally not alone but with another interested
person–I am not sure what the best way to proceed is: Wait for the
submission process, or get in touch with the organizers to ask for a
room and time for this special workshop (as others did in the past)?

I had drafted a proposal for our diversity conference back in 2013
that we could use and build upon - (it was very general at that time, today I would address more the specfics of WM-movements..):

Diversity? Deal with it! – Diversity as a concept has long development
in management and especially in human ressource management in order to
practically deal with diversity of people coming and working together
from different backrounds and levels of knowledge. This 45-min lasting
workshop you will actively engage in situations what actually to do
and how possibly to act when divers and different opinions, people and
backgrounds and communication cultures come together. Different
strategies will be developed within the group participants leaving
them with set of tools and strategies how to deal with diversity in
real life and the online world.

I am very much looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Warmly,
Christina


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2014-12-14 23:06 GMT+01:00 Jim Hayes <slowking4@gmail.com>:

yes, training could work at wikimania

the education foundation and eval. folks had seminars during hackathon,
and a track at London
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programme

what would a required list of HR, managment seminars look like?

 

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote:

I've added myself to the list of interested people :)

Thinking out loud, would that kind of thing work in person at the Wikimedia Conference and/or Wikimania?

On 12 Dec 2014 19:33, "Siko Bouterse" <sbouterse@wikimedia.org> wrote:

Along similar lines, this pilot training has been suggested for admins:

 

And The Ada Initiative said they were interested in providing training for such a pilot. WMF grantmakers like myself would be pleased to see something like this develop into a proposal, if folks felt it was worth trying.

 

It might make sense to pilot at the admin level before focusing on functionaries like stewards, because admins have more day-to-day interactions with individual editors (and thus more opportunities to facilitate an on-wiki environment that supports diversity).

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Reguyla <reguyla@gmail.com> wrote:

I think this might be a good idea but it would be pretty hard to implement and I think, unnecessary. Most of the functionaries got to where they are because they have a calm demeanor and generally are fair in how they treat others. Additionally, its not usually the functionaries who are the problem. So without requiring the editors to perform the diversity training, I'm not sure how much it would help.

 

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't know if this has been floated before - apologies if so - but:

Part of the problem we have is the sheer depth of ignorance among otherwise well-intentioned community members.

This depth of ignorance is naturally shared by the people who play leadership roles in the community. So we end up with stewards, arbitrators and bureaucrats who potentially end up reinforcing the gender gap problem because they just have no clue how the structure they maintain can sometimes be a tool to exclude people.

How about offering some form of diversity training to functionaries to help broaden perspectives and raise understanding? Obviously, from the point of view of supporting them to do their difficult and fairly thankless roles better, rather than beating them with diversity sticks.

It could happen (indeed, WMF could make it happen with some volunteer input); could it help?

Chris

 

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