On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Risker <risker.wp@gmail.com> wrote:
Kathleen, the point I am trying to make is that your comparison is, well, inherently sexist. There is no basis on which to think that the articles about books written by Cussler exist without challenge because Cussler is a male author, or that [[October (novel)]] was tagged for notability because the author is female.The October (novel) article is a stub that, at the time it was tagged for notability, didn't give any reason for its notability. It was correctly tagged; when reason for its notability was added, the tag was appropriately removed.Books that sell hundreds of thousands of copies are generally notable all by themselves, which covers the Cussler books (and the Stephen King books, and the JK Rowling books, and the Agatha Christie books). It's not always about sex.Risker/AnneOn 22 July 2014 14:06, Kathleen McCook <klmccook@gmail.com> wrote:
My intention was to point out that a series of novels (Cussler's) that don't meet the criteria applied to __October__ have full pages. The two authors are in no way similar. In fact, they are as far apart as they could be. However, the male author has complete coverage of every jot and tittle.On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Risker <risker.wp@gmail.com> wrote:I believe what caused the more in-depth examination was the creation of a brand new, otherwise unlinked category for the book, which drew the attention of a very different group of editors than the ones who pay attention to works of fiction. You've got the category-interested editors looking at the article, instead of the fiction-interested editors.It's just a notability tag, it's already been removed, and I'm sure folks will be able to find some more reviews about October (novel).I don't think it has anything at all to do with the fact that the author is a woman. As best I can tell, the only person comparing this novel to Cussler books is you.Risker/AnneOn 22 July 2014 13:39, Kathleen McCook <klmccook@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason I asked to discuss here is to ascertain whether or not there seems to be a different set of notability standards by gender.I encourage students to contribute to Wikipedia.But when notability is an editor's decision with so many exceptions...how do you encourage?Really, I am careful and if a book by a brilliant woman like Zoe Wicomb causes notability queries..how, on earth, can this gender gap be addressed?Here is Ms. Wicomb's prize announcement at Yale.On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case <dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote:
That he’s a regular denizen of the bestseller lists in many countries who’s had works adapted into major motion pictures (To be honest, I think we should say that “all published works by authors who have their paperbacks displayed prominently in the racks near the front of bookstores at airports are notableOn what basis in Clive Cussler notable?“).
Well, I don't know. I had never heard of Cussler before today (don't spend a lot of time in airport bookshops), but I did look at a couple of his novels' Wikipedia articles, and they didn't indicate significance any better than the October article. (One of them had a single, ephemeral reference; the other had 7 that seemed pretty thin.)I can see how Kathleen would be frustrated by what surely appears from her perspective to be a double standard.Pete[[User:Peteforsyth]]
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