Actually, Sarah's post is quite useful to me. On en.wiki, people are constantly asking why they should care about the gender gap, as they don't see how it relates to improving the encyclopedia. Being able to point out examples like...
* We have an article on barbers, but none for hairdressers
* We have an article on male pimps, but not for madams
...makes it concrete how our systemic bias hurts the quality of the encyclopedia. Personally, I would love to hear about the systemic bias issues on wikis besides en.wiki, and would encourage people to post examples. These examples not only provide good opportunities for women to contribute, but help to convince people that there is a problem worth addressing. Of course, this should not be the sole purpose of the list, but I think it is useful (and interesting) to discuss.

Ryan Kaldari


On 12/25/11 11:56 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
I'm looking forward to hearing what Caroline would like to discuss, or Beria.
 
Well Peter, when I come here (the day the list was created) the idea was to create a list to discuss HOW TO REDUCE GENDER GAP (in caps to make it more clear), that was the propose and that was the one I accepted.

So far, I saw lots of discussions about en.wiki articles and images, and very little about the main objective of this list. I'm asking too much that we actually start discuss what we came here to discuss? I don't think so.
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On 25 December 2011 19:41, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth@gmail.com> wrote:

Agreed. On Christmas (or any other day), I am thankful this list helps move things forward in a variety of ways, for a variety of different people. I'm looking forward to hearing what Caroline would like to discuss, or Beria. But glad to know your thoughts on "pimp" and "madam" sarah, and to see a suggested path to improving wikipedia content. I do enjoy that stuff the most. Collabotative encyclopedia writing is fucking awesome, and I love how everybody goes about it a little differently.

Pete

On Dec 25, 2011 11:25 AM, "Ole Palnatoke Andersen" <palnatoke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> It's a shame that my posts have been so bothersome for the list, I never
> knew that I was only making things worse, or not helping at all.

I, for one, do not find your posts bothersome.
I find no problem with having one gender-neutral article for barbers
and hairdressers or for pimps and madams, but I do find it better to
have *two* good articles on the respective subjects.


Regards,
Ole

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