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Today's Topics:

  1. Catherine Hamlin (Gillian White)
  2. Girl Geeks and a Wikipedia Editing Day (Fiona Apps)
  3. Women celebrating...women! (Sarah Stierch)
  4. Re: the state of civility on en.wiki (Nathan)
  5. Re: the state of civility on en.wiki (Risker) (SpeedyGonsales)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:59:12 +1100
From: Gillian White <whiteghost.ink@gmail.com>
Subject: [Gendergap] Catherine Hamlin
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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Dear All,

Since [[Catherine Hamlin]] was invited to lunch by the Queen last week
during her visit here, I thought her article ought to be improved.
(Hamlin's, that is.) It and its companion, the [[Addis Ababa Fistula
Hospital]] were a bit of a mess so I have separated them out and organised
them, linking all the awards and hopefully explaining Hamlin's
contributions better.

I mentioned her before in an earlier email on this list but now I hope that
readers can better see in these two articles why she is such an amazing
person and such a heroine - someone IMHO of whom everyone on this list
ought to be aware. This is a woman who is personally responsible for curing
thousands of women who would otherwise be cast out and without hope. And
she is still operating - still doing surgery in her mid-eighties and
training others to follow on. In the cosmic scheme of things, had we we
been born in a slightly different place or time, we might have been one of
the women who needed help such as she provides. All her patients have an
obstetric problem that we in the developed world do not have to worry about
anymore as we solved it in the middle of the 20th century. It is completely
preventable with good obstetric care and Hamlin has been giving that
selflessly and expertly for 50 years. Here is someone making a real
difference to women's lives and confronting problems far worse than name
calling. My hat goes off to her ...

Gillian
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:37:42 -0000
From: "Fiona Apps" <wikipanyd@gmail.com>
Subject: [Gendergap] Girl Geeks and a Wikipedia Editing Day
To: "'Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects'"
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Heya,



I've put up a geonotice but just in case anyone has them disabled (I
wouldn't blame you), we're having an editing day with the Manchester Girl
Geeks on the 12th. Any presence, female or otherwise, would be appreciated.
Invitations went out today to their 400 strong mailing list and we're hoping
to have 40 women attend. I think partnership with organisations like the
Girl Geeks really helps to bridge the gender gap. If we get 40 new editors
out of this day that's 40 women who weren't there before. So I want us to
have an enthusiastic show on hand!



Also, I know I put out the call before and I have my responses saved but I
am meeting with the head of the global network today to talk about where we
can feasibly hold talks. The invitations should go out very soon so if
anyone else is willing to volunteer to organise an editing day or give a
talk on Wikipedia to these great women that would make my week.



Lots of wiki-love,



Fiona/Panyd

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:11:41 -0400
From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com>
Subject: [Gendergap] Women celebrating...women!
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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Cc: Lori Phillips <lori.byrd.phillips@gmail.com>
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This month Lori Phillips, Wikipedian in Residence at the Children's Museum
of Indianapolis has a two page spread in Indianapolis Woman, Indiana's
biggest magazine dedicated to women.

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/03afc96c#/03afc96c/16

Lori isn't on this list, so I cc'd her, but, I just wanted to share the
article with everyone here - thumbs up to Lori and and thumbs up to
Indianapolis Woman for taking notice of Lori's great work in the GLAM WIKI
movement.

No mention of gender concerns or anything like that, but, that doesn't
matter - female Wikipedians getting shown in a positive light about their
work is always needed. Congratulations Lori!

-Sarah

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:52:29 -0400
From: Nathan <nawrich@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] the state of civility on en.wiki
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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The particular incident that prompted this thread has spawned a
request for an arbitration case, which apparently is likely to be
accepted.

I think this would be a really good opportunity for the committee to
make a difference with respect to enabling people with a long history
of rude interactions. If nothing else, discussions on this list have
demonstrated that the often hostile editing atmosphere is a huge, huge
deterrent for many editors and especially for women. Right now, only
the most extreme behavior from non-vested users is sanctioned because
of the many precedents exempting productive users from strict
scrutiny.

It may be helpful for people who post here to post to the case request
page, and express to the arbitration committee that the value of the
editors being driven away far exceeds the value of the editors
repeatedly given a pass. The selective enforcement of interaction
standards, and the apparent influence of relationships on
decision-making, set an example that hobbles any other efforts at
improving the atmosphere of the project.



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 11:54:15 +0100
From: SpeedyGonsales <stem@vip.hr>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] the state of civility on en.wiki (Risker)
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On 10/29/2011 12:45 AM, gendergap-request@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
> In other words, as a community we create a climate where poor behaviour is
> the most effective means to motivate needed changes, where our policies and
> practices can be used as weapons both to support negative behaviour and also
> to "punish" positive behaviour, where the boundaries of unacceptable
> behaviour vary widely dependent on a large number of factors and enforcement
> is extraordinarily inconsistent, and where we openly claim to follow a
> behavioural model that*sounds*  progressive but is in reality possibly even
> more nasty than our own.
>
> On reading far, far back into archives, it appears that "incivility" has
> been a problem almost since the inception of the project.  In the early days
> of the project, blocks and bans were almost non-existent, and huge amounts
> of time were invested in trying to "correct" behaviour (considerably more
> per capita than today, the community cuts its losses much earlier now than
> in 2002-04). In fact, blocks and  bans were very rare until the arrival of
> extensive trolling and vandalism in 2005-06, which led to the appointment of
> a massive number of administrators in 2006-07 in order to address these
> problems.
>
> None of this speaks to solutions, I know.  But it is important to put the
> discussion into a more historical context, and to recognize the flashpoints
> where incivility is often identified.
>
> Risker/Anne


http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2005/05/a-group-is-its-own-worst-enemy.html

"As a community grows, these types of rules-- neither social nor technical,
but a hybrid of both-- become critical to the survival of the community.
If moderators fail to step in, the damage can be fatal."

"The likelihood that any unmoderated group will eventually get into
a flame-war about whether or not to have a moderator approaches one
as time increases."

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 From my experience (on hr wiki), biggest problem a group (wikiproject)
can have are moderators(admins) which are not up to the task.

And I am admin (and bureaucrat and CU) who sometimes was but
sometimes also wasn't up to the task, and trolls used that to the maximum.

En wiki is big, so it will not break if one relatively civil troll hurts
and drive
away 1, 10 or even 50 normal users, but on small projects one or two
such trolls can break WHOLE project either for a year of two, or even
longer.

Although consequences are not the same, solution should be the same:

Wikipedia is a project
its users are a group
this project harbors free language and freedom of thought
but trolls should be banned on spot. Sooner the better.

Longer the discussion, more damage to the project.

(longer the discussion with troll, or discussion should troll be blocked
or not and for how long - trolls should be blocked for good).

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Notice: I didn't check ANY edit of (problematic) user subject of this
thread,
so I don't know is he or isn't he a troll, and I don't care.

If he is, he should be blocked for good, sooner the better.

If he isn't, all who are writing bad here about him are paranoids.

Beware: smart trolling is very similar to normal argument. So it is very
easy
to let it go, but damage become bigger with every message troll posts.


Kind regards

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