I'm not sure how I became the bad guy here just because I think there is a problem with civility and bias that needs to be addressed on Wikipedia. Personally Chris, I don't think your comments directed at me are particularly helpful to the goals of this list either. I wasn't the one that voted 2 women out of the project and left a man that has a years long history of abuse and multiple trips to the Arbcom on the site (and BTW I say that as someone who isn't the least bit bothered by Eric). That was Arbcom. But if you think that I somehow have negatively influenced anything by participating in this list, then please explain that to me. Because I for one would like to see Wikipedia change to be more inviting to all editors, and treat all editors fairly, unlike the current status of things on the project now.

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com> wrote:

This is also part of the problem - we have "helpful" contributions from people like Reguyla / Kumioko who is basically here to complain about how awful Arbcom are. Some months ago he was engaged in a campaign of personal abuse against arbitrators which to be frank is exactly the kind of thing that drives people away from those positions.

On 12 Dec 2014 17:38, "reguyla@gmail.com" <reguyla@gmail.com> wrote:

Its not surprising that the arbcom would not like comments and be critical of a venue they do not control and cannot themselves silence critical comments about their decisions. I finf it unfortunate that an arb doesnt want to join the mailing list merely because some people here do not share the view that the arbcoms decisions are not all gold.

I do agree that there were some comments that are off topic but thats true of all the lists, not just this one.

In the end, to me, if the arbs decide not to join this list because they fear discussion, then we probably dont need them anyway and if they are unwilling to listen or discuss issues pertaining to the project, including poor decisions made by them, then that makes my thought process all the more true.

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------ Original message------

From: Carol Moore dc
Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2014 11:20 AM
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects;
Subject:[Gendergap] Gender gap emails Arbitrator doesn't like

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=637703278&oldid=637701678
Is a comment by an Arbitrator about things written last month or so here, none by me, they don't like.

Thinks it's necessary "the moderators get a grip on some of the things being said there." (Moderator comments welcome here for guidance.)

*https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-November/004930.html
"a posting about legal repercussions"

*https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005008.html
"suggesting doxxing/opposition research"

*https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005068.html "plans" to https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-December/005079.html "block vote at ArbCom elections with new editors recruited at editathons." (actually just a suggestion by an annoyed editor)

Hopefully they aren't proposing a standard tougher than than on all the other mailing lists, none of which I personally belong to.

CM

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