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On Tuesday, July 14, 2015, Carol Moore dc <
carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
Another good option. People who want to speak out should not be silenced by those who say they don't want to be taped. (And heavens forbid it be the guys who want to harass us or their female enablers.)
On 7/14/2015 10:02 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:
Hi Carole,
But if you ask people to lurk out of camera shot and not ask questions
unless they are willing to have them taped aren't you making them second
class participants at that event?
Better in my view to create an edited taped version, and if someone
isn't prepared to be in the final cut try to resolve their objections.
It may be they are OK if a narrator says their words and their face is
pixellated, or perhaps they need their bit replaced by a shot of someone
reacting to their words and the narrator saying "a participant gave a
personal example of harassment"
On 14 July 2015 at 13:40, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net
<mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net>> wrote:
I definitely understand Risker's point, but despite my jokes about
metaphorical "gang bang at Wikipedia", this really isn't a
discussion of personal violence and assault, but of organized
political intimidation. And we should feel free to speak out about
that and make sure lots of people hear us. Otherwise we are just
victimizing ourselves by embracing our oppression instead of
fighting it.
Having attended some such events at Wikimania 2012, and seen the
issues discussed at least briefly in one or more taped
presentations, off hand I don't remember any guys being really
obnoxious. (I do remember the story of the NYC event where guys WERE
being obnoxious, however.) Hopefully, they are NOT becoming more
organized like the guys who disrupted the Gender Gap Task Force.
Probably the best thing is to discuss whether to tap and let
participants decide and if only a few object they can stay out of
camera range and ask any comments they make not be taped. That is
done at a lot of different events.
On 7/13/2015 10:46 PM, Risker wrote:
On 13 July 2015 at 21:37, Carol Moore dc
<carolmooredc@verizon.net <mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net>
<mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net
<mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net>>> wrote:
On 7/13/2015 3:50 PM, Valerie Aurora wrote:
Hi folks,
Several people have asked whether the Ally Skills
Workshop will
be an
unpleasant experience for women attending - specifically,
whether men
will dominate the conversation, dismiss what women say,
etc. We
spend
the first 20 minutes of the workshop setting up
discussion rules so
that this doesn't happen - in fact, the workshop is
real-world
practice in how to have a discussion in ways that give
women an
equal
chance to be respectfully heard.
Make sure you tape it and they all know it will be going up
online?
I hope not, or it will really, really change the willingness of
participants to share their experiences and stories. In some
cases it
would have the effect of revictimizing the victims.
I can sympathize with your wish to see how it goes, Carol - I'll
be in a
required session a few doors down the hall while this takes place,
although I'd really like to participate. But from the bigger
picture, I
think it's better that the session not be publicly accessible.
Risker/Anne
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