This is what I'm talking about - So the comment that had sexist undertones is not being discussed, but the fact that a comment was used to express frustrations is being analyzed? There has to be a commitment on this list that we are not going to reproduce the same behavior and environments that are so unattractive to women in the first place. Saying that someone  is "scared" of a group with a high percentage of women, or telling a woman "ohh your wrong" when she shares her experience, is really not cool - particularly on this lsit! 

sandy


On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud@fairpoint.net> wrote:
> Fred, exactly why do you think hanging out in a woman-friendly
> environment
> would be so terrible? Perhaps if you could itemize for us what's wrong
> with
> people with vaginas being all up in your world, we could actually have a
> discussion on the topic.

A feminized environment is something rather different from a
woman-friendly environment just as a masculinized environment such as a
biker bar is different from an environment which welcomes men.

Your language is interesting. Vaginas are hardly the center of attention
in either a feminized or woman-friendly environment. As to "people with
vaginas being all up in [my] world", certainly there are issues, but
troublesome people come in all genders.

Fred

>
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Fred Bauder
> <fredbaud@fairpoint.net>wrote:
>
>> Information for the list
>>
>> This is the email I sent Sandra; hardly "a long email back stating that
>> feminism shouldn't be about revenge. ..."
>>
>> Sandra could we see the email you think you got?
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> --------------------------- Original Message
>> ----------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women4Wikipedia
>> From:    "Fred Bauder" <fredbaud@fairpoint.net>
>> Date:    Thu, February 17, 2011 9:03 pm
>> To:      "Sandra" <sandratordonez@gmail.com>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Serious, but actually it can be funny. A feminized environment is
>> awkward
>> for a man and provides opportunity for humor.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> > Fred r u being funny or serious - I can't  tell.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Feb 17, 2011, at 7:39 PM, "Fred Bauder" <fredbaud@fairpoint.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> It has occurred to me to wonder what Wikipedia would look like if
>> 85%
>> >>> of
>> >>> its editors were female?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> regards
>> >>>
>> >>> Rosie Williams
>> >>>
>> >>> http://women4wikipedia
>> >>>
>> >>> @collectiveact
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It would be pretty awful. Scenes like that are not welcoming.
>> >>
>> >> Fred
>> >>
>> >>
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