Okay, deep breath. I have to say this... I am not a fan of women only groups and I probably wouldn't join.

I don't live in a women only world and I wouldn't want to.

Yes we do get some men on GGTF and elsewhere who are either MRA and would rather see us all rot, or they fall into the category of telling us what is relevant or not in terms of the discussion, and that is frustrating. But equally there are men who do not presume to understand our experiences and are embarrassed that they belong to the same gender as the MRA and the I-know-best merchants.

I would not want to join a group that barred entry to this second group. Frankly we this is fight where we need all the genuine help we can get.

Marie

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 20:16:04 -0500
From: risker.wp@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] WikiProject Women

So perhaps the question is how many women would be interested in participating in off-wiki...I'm not really sure entirely what exactly it is, although hypothetically it's mentoring and... well, I keep coming back to I'm not sure what it is.

I have a hard enough time keeping up with my current load, and am not particularly interested in going to more venues, but I may be the exception.

Risker/Anne

On 1 January 2015 at 19:49, LB <lightbreather2@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you, Heather! This is what we run into on the WP GGTF every time we open something up for discussion.

All I wanted to discuss the possibility of such a group. Are there any policies that would make it impossible? How would we determine who is a woman? Could inclusion/exclusion be automated? What might the benefits of such a group be? The liabilities? What would its scope be? It's goals?

Can we discuss this?

On Jan 1, 2015 5:30 PM, "Heather Walls" <hwalls@wikimedia.org> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Tim Davenport <shoehutch@gmail.com> wrote:

I for one would immediately be running the project through the Miscellany for Deletion process.

You don't see anything slightly wrong with this idea? Really?!?

This is 100% unadulterated identity politics. 

You say that as if identity politics is somehow inherently negative.

Tim Davenport

Carrite on WP /// Randy from Boise on WPO

Corvallis, OR

>>Is it simply impossible to start a Wikipedia project that's open to women,

or people who identify as women? (I'm sorry if I don't use the correct
terms, but I haven't kept up with them in recent years.)

>>I mean if we did it... what would the consequences be?

>>Lightbreather

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