Speaking of dox and in-person events, a few months ago one of the
WP:BADSITES known for dox had a thread about attending a WMF
harassment workshop. So anyone who is not comfortable with a paper
trail, and would prefer face-to-face conversations with allies, could
actually find themselves face to face with their harassers instead.

On 4/12/17, Neotarf <neotarf@gmail.com> wrote:
> I had meant to revisit this discussion after my thinking on the
> subject had come together a little better, unfortunately that isn't
> happening, so I will just express my concerns.
>
> Perhaps this is only anecdotal, but it has been my observation that a
> good many admins are students and either stop editing or cut back
> their participation drastically in their junior year. So if they start
> at age 12, which I think has happened a lot, they are basically
> editing for about ten years. I find it hard to believe there are that
> many older admins, the photos from events certainly don't bear this
> out.
>
> The link from enwiki is interesting, I do recognize names of a few
> professionals but even more who fit the 'advanced student' pattern.
> The pattern on Meta seems similar.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=sysop&creationSort=1&desc=1&limit=2000
>
> So the problem I am trying to solve is basically the "endless
> September" one that Sue pointed out in her 2011 editor retention talk
> to WMUK.  I know this information is dated, but the concept still
> might be a useful starting point. I have not spent a lot of time on
> Meta, but a while back I was quite startled to have an individual on
> Meta demand I engage with him in a discussion about vulgar words for
> reproductive organs
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ajraddatz&diff=15715606&oldid=15715064
> , and even more startled to find out this was a functionary. Not only
> that, it is someone who appears to be deeply opposed to the concept of
> safe space
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk:IdeaLab/Inspire/Meta&oldid=15729581
> and whose name appears on a key committee for Wikimania, which as I
> understand it, will be under a safe space policy. So my original
> question was how can we get newcomers up to speed on the social norms,
> but considering the number of past privacy violations by
> functionaries, both on WP and on WP criticism sites, now the question
> seems to be who has access to PII, especially for in-person events.  I
> know of no policy for this. Perhaps it is time to restrict all access
> to PII to WMF staff and contractors.
>
> On 2/20/17, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
>> *Re "** young men from 11-19", which if you think about it, is pretty
>> much
>> the demographic of Wikimedia's admins and functionaries."* That's an old
>> joke, but nowadays a joke that looks a tad out of touch. Yes a
>> significant
>> proportion of  people were that age when they became admins in 2004-2008.
>> But if there is one thing we know about the people who became admins ten
>> years ago, it is that they are ten years older today. I couldn't
>> guarantee
>> that none of our current admins were that young now, but I'd be surprised
>> if more than one or two were. Only twenty of our current admins created
>> their accounts in the last six years
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=sysop&creationSort=1&desc=1&limit=2000>.
>> RFA has been difficult for teenagers to pass for several years now, If
>> any
>> have got through in the last six years they have been unusually mature in
>> behaviour. As for Functionaries, Functionaries other than crats have to
>> prove they are 18 or over when they become Functionaries. So it is
>> theoretically possible that any new functionaries who first became so in
>> the last two years could be 18 or 19, but it isn't exactly likely.
>>
>> The template bombers who tag lots of articles for admins to delete
>> probably
>> do include some people in that age group, but admins? If 1% of the 1200
>> admins on English Wikipedia were still under 21 I would be stunned. Far
>> more admins are over 60 than could possibly be 11-19.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 February 2017 at 18:53, Neotarf <neotarf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "A Call to Men UK has 55 coaches working in schools, youth justice
>>> departments and youth centres across Worcestershire. The organisation
>>> has
>>> one principal aim, explains development manager Michael Conroy: to spark
>>> a
>>> 'cultural shift in the way boys relate to girls', and through this to
>>> prevent violence against women and girls....  'As a culture it’s time
>>> that we gave our young men permission to be complex, sensitive and happy
>>> human beings who transmit positivity and respect to others'.” [1]
>>>
>>> They have a program "for young men from 11-19", which if you think about
>>> it, is pretty much the demographic of Wikimedia's admins and
>>> functionaries.
>>> [2]
>>>
>>> This is all the more interesting right now because of the recent Newmark
>>> Foundation grant to combat harassment, which it seems is to be used for
>>> developing more forceful blocking tools for admins and functionaries
>>> "with
>>> the participation and support of the volunteers who will be using the
>>> tools".  If anyone has not seen the Susan J Fowler / Uber piece on
>>> harassment that has started going viral in the last 24 hours, it is
>>> here.
>>> "...they
>>> didn't do anything because the manager who threatened me was a 'high
>>> performer.'" [3]  Sound familiar?  This happened in a company with HR
>>> oversight; Wikimedia admins and functionaries have no oversight at all.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.theguardian.com/social-care-network/2017/feb/
>>> 20/teaching-boys-about-healthy-relationships-they-need-it-from-birth
>>> [2] http://acalltomenuk.org.uk/
>>> [3] https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-
>>> one-very-strange-year-at-uber
>>>
>>>
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