yes, that functionary and his behavior on meta has chilled the
participation of some librarian editors
they are highly skeptical of wiki harrassment efforts as long as he is in a
position to see personal identifying information.
they do not trust check user to be done responsibly as well
this is impacting our efforts to engage a GLAM institution.
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Speaking of dox and in-person events, a few months ago
one of the
WP:BADSITES known for dox had a thread about attending a WMF
harassment workshop. So anyone who is not comfortable with a paper
trail, and would prefer face-to-face conversations with allies, could
actually find themselves face to face with their harassers instead.
On 4/12/17, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I had meant to revisit this discussion after my
thinking on the
subject had come together a little better, unfortunately that isn't
happening, so I will just express my concerns.
Perhaps this is only anecdotal, but it has been my observation that a
good many admins are students and either stop editing or cut back
their participation drastically in their junior year. So if they start
at age 12, which I think has happened a lot, they are basically
editing for about ten years. I find it hard to believe there are that
many older admins, the photos from events certainly don't bear this
out.
The link from enwiki is interesting, I do recognize names of a few
professionals but even more who fit the 'advanced student' pattern.
The pattern on Meta seems similar.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%
3AListUsers&username=&group=sysop&creationSort=1&desc=1&limit=2000
So the problem I am trying to solve is basically the "endless
September" one that Sue pointed out in her 2011 editor retention talk
to WMUK. I know this information is dated, but the concept still
might be a useful starting point. I have not spent a lot of time on
Meta, but a while back I was quite startled to have an individual on
Meta demand I engage with him in a discussion about vulgar words for
reproductive organs
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:
Ajraddatz&diff=15715606&oldid=15715064
, and even more startled to find out this was a
functionary. Not only
that, it is someone who appears to be deeply opposed to the concept of
safe space
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk:
IdeaLab/Inspire/Meta&oldid=15729581
and whose name appears on a key committee for
Wikimania, which as I
understand it, will be under a safe space policy. So my original
question was how can we get newcomers up to speed on the social norms,
but considering the number of past privacy violations by
functionaries, both on WP and on WP criticism sites, now the question
seems to be who has access to PII, especially for in-person events. I
know of no policy for this. Perhaps it is time to restrict all access
to PII to WMF staff and contractors.
On 2/20/17, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> *Re "** young men from 11-19", which if you think about it, is pretty
> much
> the demographic of Wikimedia's admins and functionaries."* That's an
old
> joke, but nowadays a joke that looks a tad out of touch. Yes a
> significant
> proportion of people were that age when they became admins in
2004-2008.
> But if there is one thing we know about the
people who became admins ten
> years ago, it is that they are ten years older today. I couldn't
> guarantee
> that none of our current admins were that young now, but I'd be
surprised
> if more than one or two were. Only twenty of
our current admins created
> their accounts in the last six years
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%
3AListUsers&username=&group=sysop&creationSort=1&desc=1&limit=2000>.
> RFA has been difficult for teenagers to pass
for several years now, If
> any
> have got through in the last six years they have been unusually mature
in
> behaviour. As for Functionaries,
Functionaries other than crats have to
> prove they are 18 or over when they become Functionaries. So it is
> theoretically possible that any new functionaries who first became so in
> the last two years could be 18 or 19, but it isn't exactly likely.
>
> The template bombers who tag lots of articles for admins to delete
> probably
> do include some people in that age group, but admins? If 1% of the 1200
> admins on English Wikipedia were still under 21 I would be stunned. Far
> more admins are over 60 than could possibly be 11-19.
>
>
>
> On 20 February 2017 at 18:53, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "A Call to Men UK has 55 coaches working in schools, youth justice
>> departments and youth centres across Worcestershire. The organisation
>> has
>> one principal aim, explains development manager Michael Conroy: to
spark
>> a
>> 'cultural shift in the way boys relate to girls', and through this to
>> prevent violence against women and girls.... 'As a culture it’s time
>> that we gave our young men permission to be complex, sensitive and
happy
>> human beings who transmit positivity and
respect to others'.” [1]
>>
>> They have a program "for young men from 11-19", which if you think
about
>> it, is pretty much the demographic of
Wikimedia's admins and
>> functionaries.
>> [2]
>>
>> This is all the more interesting right now because of the recent
Newmark
>> Foundation grant to combat harassment,
which it seems is to be used for
>> developing more forceful blocking tools for admins and functionaries
>> "with
>> the participation and support of the volunteers who will be using the
>> tools". If anyone has not seen the Susan J Fowler / Uber piece on
>> harassment that has started going viral in the last 24 hours, it is
>> here.
>> "...they
>> didn't do anything because the manager who threatened me was a 'high
>> performer.'" [3] Sound familiar? This happened in a company with HR
>> oversight; Wikimedia admins and functionaries have no oversight at all.
>>
>> [1]
https://www.theguardian.com/social-care-network/2017/feb/
>> 20/teaching-boys-about-healthy-relationships-they-need-it-from-birth
>> [2]
http://acalltomenuk.org.uk/
>> [3]
https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-
>> one-very-strange-year-at-uber
>>
>>
>>
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