On 09/19/2013 07:51 PM, Steven Walling wrote: However, VE is actually using two different messages for the tab and its superscript effect (which works through an HTML element). None of the HTML elements I needed were allowed, even though they're safe and allowed in wikitext. There's no real reason for this beyond excess caution, so I've proposed a change to allow all the safe tags: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85153/1 That will allow using the same HTML as VE. A separate issue is that VE is *very* flexible in how these appendices (the superscript beta is the appendix) is setup. If it becomes an issue, we can look at making GT a little smarter. Matt Flaschen

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Fabrice Florin <fflorin(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: Another approach is to have a dashboard on the new user's user page: "You've made 8 edits, nice job! You've taken these three tours, but there are 2 others. If you've got questions, see the Teahouse. Have you considered joining a WikiProject?" etc. This information could appear if and when the user re-visits Special:GettingStarted, but that's another page to remember and find. Notifications are great, but trying to manage a rich onboarding experience through transient notices is going to be difficult for WMF and the new user. -- =S Page Features engineer

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Fabrice Florin <fflorin(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: Yes notifications are definitely part of the game plan to encourage return visits. In the short term, users will be invited to take such a tour immediately after they register, if the page they return to post-signup is editable.[1] The current tour is far from complete I think, but it's a start. Perhaps telling users about the formatting toolbar and what the Review changes button is for? The balance is not overwhelming people who are making their very first edit, which is the primary audience of this tour. -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ 1. See page one of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Direct-to-page_onboarding_workflow_over…

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Matthew Flaschen <mflaschen(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: On the one hand, just saying 'Edit' is the easy solution, but it may confuse people if they are prompted to do this as in English it says beta as well. Pau, what do you think? My gut says we need to have the buttons match pretty precisely if we're sending users instructions via a guided tour. -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/

Using the same exact label would be my preferred option since it causes the less problems (there is no doubt what the text is referring to). The "beta" part can be understood a as an additional marker (as if it say "new" as Google products used to). It is likely that users can identify this option just by referring to it as "Edit", but considering that there is another "Edit" button next to it, making it obvious may save users some seconds of doubt. Pau On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Chris McMahon <cmcmahon(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: -- Pau Giner Interaction Designer Wikimedia Foundation

On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Quim Gil <qgil(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: There are a couple ways you can trigger a tour. Via a link or button, or by setting a tour cookie based on some event. For community members, the easiest way to trigger a tour would be to do something like appending the parameter on links or buttons. The Wikipedia Adventure project on enwiki starts their tour this way. For these two particular tours (firstedit, firsteditve) we will be delivering them post-registration, when you are sent back to the page you were on pre-signup. The goal here is to test providing nearly all first-time editors a guided tour, and to try a version of GettingStarted suggestions where we don't force everyone through Special:GettingStarted right after signup. Users will be given a choice of either taking a tour of how to edit the current page (if allowed), or taking a GettingStarted suggested task. We're hoping to launch that as an A/B test against the current GettingStarted experience as a control, probably next week. Already we know guided tours work for new editors accepting a GettingStarted task,[1] and we're hoping it will have similar positive effects for the many new users who don't accept a GettingStarted suggestion, typically because they signed up with a page to edit already in mind. -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ 1. "Among the users who viewed a GettingStarted article and were given a guided tour, we found a statistically significant 3.9% difference in the rate of first edits made, and an even larger 13.6% increase in the rate at which new users attempted to edit." https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:OB3