On 1 February 2013 23:17, Ori Livneh <olivneh@wikimedia.org> wrote:

It could work, but not the way things are currently instrumented, IMO. To make a tour, you need to edit the MediaWiki namespace; to edit the MediaWiki namespace you need to be a privileged user; to be a privileged user, you typically need to demonstrate considerable proficiency with MediaWiki. Highly proficient users of any software platform tend to find hand-holding unwelcome, since it intrudes upon existing workflows. The questions that such proficient users might have about tour-creation are not likely to be the ones that a guided tour is well-designed to answer.

If it were possible for novice users to create guided tours, this idea would be more viable and attractive.

I know we actually have quite a few administrators who would be interested in this; the questions are more (a) can they grok the newb mentality, or (b) can we partner them with a newcomer who better understands newcomer mentalities

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Ori Livneh

On Friday, February 1, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:

> Do people think it's possible to make a good tour on making tours?
> Currently, the test tour has essentially a redlink (or redbutton) for this.
>
> It would probably go like:
>
> 1. Enter such and such text (page name in MW namespace) into search box.
> 2. Create page (with a guider linking to the docs on the edit page).
> 3. Save
>
> It could also have part of the tour point them to editing an on-wiki
> page for tour content (getPageAsDescription).
>
> But I don't know if this is a good use of a tour or not. What do you think?
>
> Even if we make such a tour, we're thinking of dropping the link going
> there from the test tour.
>
> Matt Flaschen
>
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