Oliver, I think you may be talking about the power user here:New users are unlikely to create a volume of edits or articles in a single go.
Certain categories cannot be switched off:
-Systme Messages
-Talk Page messages
You bring up a very valid case, but I doubt that the solution is turning entire categories off from the flyout.
If it is spam for power users, they can turn things off in Preferences.
Facebook provides a very sophisticated level of control in the flyouts by letting you mute :
-Notification from User X (Not all talk messages)
-Notifications about Event X (Not all events)
-Notifications from X wall Post (Not all your wall posts, just this specific one)
-Notifications from the status you posted (Not your entire wall)
-Notifications for a language from a service (Not even the entire app in all cases)
This is the level of control we may need for some categories, but it needs more thinking,
I dont think we are there yet.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Oliver Keyes
<okeyes@wikimedia.org> wrote:
As someone who has spent time directly observing user behaviour for many years - we have lots and lots of evidence. For example; are you aware that users semi-automatically and/or rapidly create articles? Usually translated from other projects. I sincerely doubt that they will want a notification every time.
On 27 March 2013 19:32, Vibha Bamba
<vbamba@wikimedia.org> wrote:
To clarify:
1) The safest thing that allows to build incrementally for now is 'Ive read this > Remove it' which is a really a simple 'Go Away'
2 ) In addition to this we could support a 'Clear All Read' from the flyout so a user doesn't have to dismiss one at a time.
This still leaves us with the problem of cross linking notification which may be large in volume > we could make that an 'Opt In'
The reason I think turning off categories in the flyout is problematic is:
- Dismissing entire categories needs more fine tuning. Users will want to unfollow specific things > Articles > Discussions etc.
- Switching off categories also prevents us from incremental fine tune controls in the short term.
- Other than cross links, so far we dont have enough evidence that users will want to switch entire categories off. We need more time and back end support to figure that out.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Vibha Bamba
<vbamba@wikimedia.org> wrote:
I propose:
1) The safest thing that allows to build incrementally for now is 'Ive read this > Remove it'
2 ) In addition to this we could support a clear all new from the flyout so a user doesn't have to dismiss one at a time.
This still leaves us with the problem of cross linking notification which may be large in volume > we could make that an 'opt in'
Dismissing entire categories needs more fine tuning.
Other than cross links, so far we dont have enough evidence that users will want to switch entire categories off.
Users will want to unfollow specific things > Articles > Discussions etc.
We need more time and back end support to figure that out.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Isarra Yos
<zhorishna@gmail.com> wrote:
But having the option there at all, if its to be removed later for simplicity, could even cause problems - how quickly would users figure out that they dont want a kind of message? On the first one, it probably wont seem worth dismissing all of the type - might be interesting to get more. But once they get twenty in the next day, then it would probably sink in that okay, this is really annoying. But where did the option go? Wasnt there an option?
If anything it might lead them away from their preferences because their preferences are not where they saw the option initially.
On 27/03/2013 13:11, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
On 03/27/2013 03:09 PM, Isarra Yos wrote:
Perhaps Im misunderstanding something, but if someone is trying to
dismiss several, they wont want a dialog showing up every time, but at
the same time even if they dont want to disable all of the type the
first time that doesnt mean they wont want to do that later. The option,
if its going to be there, needs to be there somewhat consistently.
You can still disable the notification category in Special:Preferences .
It may be worthwhile to keep the main Echo interface (not preferences)
simpler if they choose not to disable the category the first time.
Matt Flaschen
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