I think icons at the bottom could work better and it's good to encourage conversation over presentation, but it's strange that they appear part of the text area. What happens when there's a scroll bar? I think it needs a gray divider (like VisualEditor in a page) or background (like Gmail, the wiki editor toolbar, etc.).

Is the rightmost <> icon the one-way "Switch to source editiing" as in VE?

Pau, is the change to heavy gray "Reply to Ludmilla" placeholder text in your design intentional? The current lighter italic "Reply to "content of post"" looks better. What's the rationale for changing the placeholder text from the message content to the person to whom you're replying?

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Danny Horn <dhorn@wikimedia.org> wrote:

Here's the screenshot that Matthias sent of what the default VE toolbar looks like on Flow.

I assume that we could hide the components that aren't useful for us, but even then, I think it feels really heavy above the entry field. It's a lot of controls for a small entry field.

So -- seeing this confirms for me that we need to use Pau's design (also attached), which puts the controls inside the entry field. If that turns out to be unexpectedly crazy harder than we expect, then this would be a distant second choice for v1, but it would have to be a pretty extreme version of harder.

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