We have experimented with this in the past and it should not be too hard to re-enable. I will confirm with Andrew. 
There are two ways to do this, I think.

1. Use udp2log and pipe into Kafka.
2. Write a Kafka producer endpoint for EventLogging.

I like #2!  And I think Ori does too (we talked about this once before).  It should be pretty easy to do.

On Sep 19, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Diederik van Liere <dvanliere@wikimedia.org> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Dario Taraborelli <dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org> wrote:
A little bit of context on these dashboards and what part of the process is "manual".

data sources
The graphs primarily use data obtained by querying the EventLogging db or the private SQL slaves (there are some exceptions like the revert graphs, which involve more pre-processing). Refreshing the data typically depends on scripts run hourly or daily via cronjobs on stat1. The datasets are then rsync'ed to stat1001. The dashboards live on multiple Limn instances (typically set up on labs and controlled by different teams) which host the datasource, graph and dashboard definitions. 

graph customization
it's no big deal to generate multiple dashboards in a scripted way (that's what we do when a new feature is deployed on a number of projects). What's tricky is the fact that different projects may have different feature sets enabled, each feature may be configured differently on a per-project basis, and in some cases different parameters (such as project-specific cutoff dates) need to be set for segmenting the data.

It's obvious that this process doesn't scale well, pulling data from 800 slaves can be a pain (Oliver recently shared some really good thoughts on this) and it's hard to keep track of what data exists for each project or where it's hosted. Centralizing the generation of the datasets and the corresponding graphs will enormously simplify the process of creating and discovering dashboards and I think we should start from the low-hanging fruit of EventLogging data. EventLogging produces well-defined, project-agnostic datasets that can be written natively into different stores (including SQL, Redis, Hadoop or flat files). So here's what we could do:

1. we start producing dashboards for core metrics for all projects by ingesting EventLogging data into Hadoop. 
We have experimented with this in the past and it should not be too hard to re-enable. I will confirm with Andrew. 
2. next we experiment importing data from core MediaWiki tables (that by definition exist on each project) and have no problem of graph customization/fine-tuning.
We also experimented with this; we have a tool called Sqoop to import the data from MySQL to Hadoop. We would need to define which tables we need to import but that's not hard. I wrote a small tool called sqoopy that will automatically map MySQL column types to Hive column types and now with the the labsdb's we can just import from those databases and not have to worry about PII.  
3. finally, we define a registry of what features are enabled on each project and selectively import from the production DB tables that are needed to generate the data and the corresponding parameters.
Would it make sense to read this info from the Mediaiwiki LocalSetting.php file or is that not containing all the relevant info?

Does this approach make sense and is there anything that prevents us from experimenting with step 1?
Nothing technical prevents us as far as I am aware; it's getting it appropriately prioritized so that we can work on it fast. 


On Sep 18, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Diederik van Liere <dvanliere@wikimedia.org> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Matthew Flaschen <mflaschen@wikimedia.org> wrote:
On 09/18/2013 08:30 PM, Fabrice Florin wrote:
It's a lack of automated tools.

Right now, Dario has to create each of them manually and it's not
practical for him to support hundreds of sites, given his workload.

Yeah, it certainly doesn't make sense to do them all manually.  But I think it would be great to be able to script this.

Someday, when we have more resources, our analytics team may be able to
automate this process, so we can support more sites.

Agreed, I'm CCing Analytics on this.  For feature requests like this, is it best to file an enhancement in Bugzilla, email the Analytics list, or something else?
What exactly is the feature request (automate what process)?

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