Actually I think I would presume he did *not* check for outside edits. Academics tend to actually be a bit more dogmatic about their own view of how an article should look. -----Original Message----- From: Gorilla Warfare <gorillawarfarewikipedia(a)gmail.com> To: education <education(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Wed, Oct 3, 2012 9:01 am Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Quantitative Metric and Article Quality I worry a bit about your mention of "Once the work was completed, the professor himself did the edit, presumably after checking for outside edits done while the project was ongoing." As far as Wikipedia's licensing goes, that raises a lot of questions about proper attribution. - GorillaWarfare On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Martin Walker <walkerma(a)potsdam.edu> wrote: _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education

Not exactly. If the terms and conditions of uni-wiki give over the copyright to the professor where xe is allowed to release the rights under the CC BY-SA. --Guerillero On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Gorilla Warfare <gorillawarfarewikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote:

How would you evaluate the difference between a separate wiki and the sandboxes? Juliana Enviado via iPhone Em 03/10/2012, às 12:57, "Martin Walker" <walkerma(a)potsdam.edu> escreveu:

Why not do the same work on a userpage/workbench? Then the licence is no problem and the students will know they are doing it for real. That's what I an going to do with a wikibook project (Swedish). Then you do not have to learn how to put up an own wiki on a server. /Harald

Of course, much of this could be alleviated if the instructors and their assistants had sufficient Wikipedia experience to monitor the student progress. Unfortunately, this is a case for only a small number of classes so far, and unlikely to change that much even if we were to stress the importance of that more (which, sadly, we don't). While I recognize how much things are unlikely to change from this only, I do beg to stress the importance of this factor. : ) I am not aware of a consolidated method of training and retaining ambassadors out of the group of students new to Wikipedia. The ambassador training sessions I know of are still a bit empirical - mostly, it's a crash course on editing, which we know is only part of the requirements. Here in Brazil we don't have enough volunteers from the editors' community to cater for the demand of interested teachers throughout the country. Unless we can finally rely on new people, I understand the need for big amounts of effort such as a new wiki, so to control the final results. Juliana. > -- > Piotr Konieczny > > "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on > one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski > > On 10/3/2012 11:57 AM, Martin Walker wrote: > >> A colleague of mine from our geology department has run article >> improvement projects for US undergraduates, and he found it very beneficial >> to have the main editing work done on a separate geology wiki (running >> Mediawiki) on a college server. Pictures were still uploaded to Wikimedia >> Commons (and therefore could be read in the college wiki). He was easily >> able to use the history feature to track students' contributions. Once the >> work was completed, the professor himself did the edit, presumably after >> checking for outside edits done while the project was ongoing. Students >> were able to improve Wikipedia, and see their real-world impact (a very >> poor article is now good and gets 70,000 hits a year). >> >> For what you're proposing, I think a separate wiki like this would be >> essential. That way the chaos is contained and the Wikipedia biologists >> aren't going nuts; also, you can assess the students' contributions more >> easily. Once the work is complete, improved articles can be integrated >> into the main Wikipedia and everyone benefits. >> >> Martin >> >> Martin A. Walker >> Department of Chemistry >> State University of New York at Potsdam >> +1 (315) 267-2271 >> walkerma(a)potsdam.edu >> >> On 10/2/2012 10:51 AM, Dimce Grozdanoski wrote: >> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> I want to open discussion and hear some practical ideas or real stories >>> about projects with large scale editing participation, or how to >>> distribute assessment to the editors/students who are geographically >>> distributed throughout the country. >>> >>> For example, let's say that we want to recruit 10000 students grouped in >>> class groups in particular schools to work on biology topics. Each >>> school must follow the teaching plan / time-line according to the >>> adopted methodology, i.e. they start with general biological terms then >>> with kingdoms, ecosystems, interactions of living bing in ecosystem, >>> evolution, and so on ... And the teachers give one or two assessment per >>> student of biology in particular class in particular school, to write >>> new or improve already written article in wikipedia. How to menage this >>> process? How to measure student work? The goals are to create maximal >>> number of articles with good quality. How to deal with projects of this >>> kind in limited time if you have time window of 6 months to start and >>> finish the project. >>> >>> Any idea, >>> >>> Dimce Grozdanoski >>> Wikimedia Macedonia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Education mailing list >>> Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/education<https://lists.w… >>> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Education mailing list >> Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/education<https://lists.w… >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > Education mailing list > Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/education<https://lists.w…