On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerromeo@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com wrote:
I'd be OK if they simply gave some space in the training materials to
talk
about public domain, free licenses and fair use. That's not likely to happen given who's in control of those lesson plans.
You're still just arguing about the correctness of the material. I agree that this curriculum is stupid and misleading, but that doesn't explain why the WMF should care enough to make a statement, or even continue discussion, about it.
One alternative option would be to work with the Education folks and create Wikimedia centric lesson plans for teachers to use that share the values people are expressing. These can be linked on education outreach pages, distributed to chapters, etc. Or general handouts can be made that explain these concepts ad the linked on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf . This is a nice option because it is pro-active and community driven. If some one does approach the WMF externally asking for support on this issue, they have the materials to then work with.
I like it!
Here's a list of a few existing copyright curricula we highlight (not exhaustive) that may be repurposed for this: https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/39781
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Laura Hale laura@fanhistory.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerromeo@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com wrote:
I'd be OK if they simply gave some space in the training materials to
talk
about public domain, free licenses and fair use. That's not likely to happen given who's in control of those lesson plans.
You're still just arguing about the correctness of the material. I agree that this curriculum is stupid and misleading, but that doesn't explain why the WMF should care enough to make a statement, or even continue discussion, about it.
One alternative option would be to work with the Education folks and create Wikimedia centric lesson plans for teachers to use that share the values people are expressing. These can be linked on education outreach pages, distributed to chapters, etc. Or general handouts can be made that explain these concepts ad the linked on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf . This is a nice option because it is pro-active and community driven. If some one does approach the WMF externally asking for support on this issue, they have the materials to then work with.
-- twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Hi all,
Who at Wikimedia (if anyone) is at all focused on education for K-12 on Wikipedia and related topics? Re this threadhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-September/thread.html#128240which I don't have the permissions to post to. I'm looking for someone in the US, preferably the California Bay Area.
Thanks, Jane
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jane Park janepark@creativecommons.orgwrote:
I like it!
Here's a list of a few existing copyright curricula we highlight (not exhaustive) that may be repurposed for this: https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/39781
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Laura Hale laura@fanhistory.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerromeo@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com wrote:
I'd be OK if they simply gave some space in the training materials to
talk
about public domain, free licenses and fair use. That's not likely to happen given who's in control of those lesson plans.
You're still just arguing about the correctness of the material. I agree that this curriculum is stupid and misleading, but that doesn't explain why the WMF should care enough to make a statement, or even continue discussion, about it.
One alternative option would be to work with the Education folks and create Wikimedia centric lesson plans for teachers to use that share the values people are expressing. These can be linked on education outreach pages, distributed to chapters, etc. Or general handouts can be made that explain these concepts ad the linked on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf . This is a nice option because it is pro-active and community driven. If some one does approach the WMF externally asking for support on this issue, they have the materials to then work with.
-- twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Jane Park Project Manager http://creativecommons.org/staff#janepark Creative Commons
the School of Open, a collaboration with P2PU: http://schoolofopen.org/
Like what we do? Donate: https://creativecommons.net/donate/
Hi Jane,
I'm not from the US, but in Germany we've been running a Wikipedia education program targeted at middle and high school teachers and students since 2010. Until the end of 2012, Wikimedia Germany was in charge of the project, since early 2013 we're an independent group of instructors (almost exclusively experienced Wikipedians).
I'm quite familiar with the US education system and I believe that many of our ideas and material could easily be adapted. If you're interested in further information, I'm happy to provide you with an English summary/overview and material.
Regards,
Kilian
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Jane Park janepark@creativecommons.orgwrote:
Hi all,
Who at Wikimedia (if anyone) is at all focused on education for K-12 on Wikipedia and related topics? Re this threadhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-September/thread.html#128240which I don't have the permissions to post to. I'm looking for someone in the US, preferably the California Bay Area.
Thanks, Jane
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jane Park janepark@creativecommons.orgwrote:
I like it!
Here's a list of a few existing copyright curricula we highlight (not exhaustive) that may be repurposed for this: https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/39781
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Laura Hale laura@fanhistory.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerromeo@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com wrote:
I'd be OK if they simply gave some space in the training materials to
talk
about public domain, free licenses and fair use. That's not likely to happen given who's in control of those lesson plans.
You're still just arguing about the correctness of the material. I agree that this curriculum is stupid and misleading, but that doesn't explain why the WMF should care enough to make a statement, or even continue discussion, about it.
One alternative option would be to work with the Education folks and create Wikimedia centric lesson plans for teachers to use that share the values people are expressing. These can be linked on education outreach pages, distributed to chapters, etc. Or general handouts can be made that explain these concepts ad the linked on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf . This is a nice option because it is pro-active and community driven. If some one does approach the WMF externally asking for support on this issue, they have the materials to then work with.
-- twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Jane Park Project Manager http://creativecommons.org/staff#janepark Creative Commons
the School of Open, a collaboration with P2PU: http://schoolofopen.org/
Like what we do? Donate: https://creativecommons.net/donate/
-- Jane Park Project Manager http://creativecommons.org/staff#janepark Creative Commons
the School of Open, a collaboration with P2PU: http://schoolofopen.org/
Like what we do? Donate: https://creativecommons.net/donate/
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Kilian - that would be fantastic. Thank you!
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Kilian Kluge kilian.kluge@wikipedia.dewrote:
Hi Jane,
I'm not from the US, but in Germany we've been running a Wikipedia education program targeted at middle and high school teachers and students since 2010. Until the end of 2012, Wikimedia Germany was in charge of the project, since early 2013 we're an independent group of instructors (almost exclusively experienced Wikipedians).
I'm quite familiar with the US education system and I believe that many of our ideas and material could easily be adapted. If you're interested in further information, I'm happy to provide you with an English summary/overview and material.
Regards,
Kilian
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Jane Park janepark@creativecommons.orgwrote:
Hi all,
Who at Wikimedia (if anyone) is at all focused on education for K-12 on Wikipedia and related topics? Re this threadhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-September/thread.html#128240which I don't have the permissions to post to. I'm looking for someone in the US, preferably the California Bay Area.
Thanks, Jane
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jane Park <janepark@creativecommons.org
wrote:
I like it!
Here's a list of a few existing copyright curricula we highlight (not exhaustive) that may be repurposed for this: https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/39781
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Laura Hale laura@fanhistory.comwrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerromeo@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com wrote:
I'd be OK if they simply gave some space in the training materials
to talk
about public domain, free licenses and fair use. That's not likely to happen given who's in control of those lesson plans.
You're still just arguing about the correctness of the material. I agree that this curriculum is stupid and misleading, but that doesn't explain why the WMF should care enough to make a statement, or even continue discussion, about it.
One alternative option would be to work with the Education folks and create Wikimedia centric lesson plans for teachers to use that share the values people are expressing. These can be linked on education outreach pages, distributed to chapters, etc. Or general handouts can be made that explain these concepts ad the linked on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf . This is a nice option because it is pro-active and community driven. If some one does approach the WMF externally asking for support on this issue, they have the materials to then work with.
-- twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Jane Park Project Manager http://creativecommons.org/staff#janepark Creative Commons
the School of Open, a collaboration with P2PU: http://schoolofopen.org/
Like what we do? Donate: https://creativecommons.net/donate/
-- Jane Park Project Manager http://creativecommons.org/staff#janepark Creative Commons
the School of Open, a collaboration with P2PU: http://schoolofopen.org/
Like what we do? Donate: https://creativecommons.net/donate/
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education