Great, that works! Thank you! / Sophie. *Med vänliga hälsningar/ Kind regards, Sophie Österberg 0733-832670 sophie.osterberg(a)wikimedia.se* *Every single contribution to Wikipedia is a gift of free knowledge to humanity. * 2013/2/12 Sage Ross <ragesoss+wikipedia(a)gmail.com> -- * *

I'm talking to someone from Khan Academy <https://www.khanacademy.org/> in a few weeks (please keep this to yourselves for now), I know they're planning to open it to other contributors, Wikipedia lessons on it would be really great. Khan Academy is an asynchronous MOOC, people don't have a cohort like Coursera or P2PU which may be a bit lonely but may suit Wikipedia editing in one way in that people all have different interests and do different things on Wikipedia. Khan Academy has really excellent structured content which is great for people to a specific goal in mind however it has limited interactivity. I know Charles Matthews a WMUK member is building a VLE using Moodle also with more interactivity. http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Learning_Environment John On 12 February 2013 17:23, Jane Park &lt;janepark(a)creativecommons.org&gt; wrote:

My current research at UC Berkeley involves MOOCs, and I think one on Wikipedia could be really effective. As mentioned below, this is one area where the synchronous cohort model seems particularly poorly-suited, since editing Wikipedia - and the "on-the-job" learning that happens there - is itself an asynchronous and perpetual process, so I think it makes sense to structure the course this way as well. Although I don't think I'll have time to file for the IEG and run the entire course myself, I would love to participate in TA-style tasks like helping to set up course content and exercises, create videos, lead discussions, and/or moderate the forums. On a related note, another very different MOOC that would also be of interest to many people is a mini-course on the Wikipedia dataset and analysis of it, e.g. the dumps and their formats, past research on this set, etc. -Derrick On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga < ezalvarenga(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote:

How would the course be structured if it was the way you liked? Fred

Here are some ideas for a new governance model http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Governance_reform There are others of course. I abhor the current system of "moderation" which only leads to gaming the system and me-tooing by "e friends" to beat up an adversary. Which is why many otherwise useful contributors leave. I like more the idea of a Congress, of perhaps a thousand editors, who are auto-nominated and elected and vote, and without a quorum, it fails. Something like that has to be vast enough (400 members, 1000 members, 20000 members), that a cadre cannot manipulate the result. And it's power must be absolute. No Jimmy Wales at the top deciding to invalidate outcomes, by a single vote.

I will probably talk about Wikipedia for three lectures during a course "Popularization of science" at Faculty of Science, Charles University in Prague. Not sure what I will talk about exactly, but definitely something about the basic principles and philosophy of Wikipedia, community, content creation, maybe dispute resolution. In fact I would love if you added some more topics to focus on.   It is not a MOOC, though, if that is what you wanted to ask about: just a regular old-school course at university :-)   thanks Vojtech     ************************ Vojtěch Dostál Mail vojtech.dostal(a)centrum.cz &lt;vojtech.dostal(a)centrum.cz&gt;     ______________________________________________________________ I know that Dr. Obar taught a course on Wikipedia administrator selection. Copied him in case he's not on the list (though I can't imagine why not). Rob -----Original Message----- From: Piotr Konieczny Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:47 PM To: Wikimedia Education Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Massive open online course(s) aboutWikipedia Seems like a worthwhile idea. Who, if anyone, has taught courses about Wikipedia in the past? I am, in fact, developing one myself, I am currently working on a draft for Prezi lectures about Wikipedia (they are licensed under CC-BY-SA, and I'd be happy to share them with you if you'd be interested). -- Piotr Konieczny, PhD http://independent.academia.edu/PiotrKonieczny/About <http://independent.academia.edu/PiotrKonieczny/About> http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=gdV8_AEAAAAJ <http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=gdV8_AEAAAAJ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piotrus <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piotrus> On 2/12/2013 4:18 AM, Sage Ross wrote: _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education> _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education>

Don't know about the photogenicity, but, more importantly, the course will be taught in Czech; the majority of YouTubers might not profit from it very much :-).  Still I like the idea ;-)   ************************ Vojtěch Dostál Mail vojtech.dostal(a)centrum.cz &lt;vojtech.dostal(a)centrum.cz&gt;     ______________________________________________________________ Are you photogenic enough to get by on TV? Actually, we could try producing some YouTube videos; sure that is not original with this post. Fred _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education>

I have also been working in a draft for course with user Mushii in Spanish I wonder if this course will be open for us to join or to engage on the design of the project. I hope so :) On Feb 13, 2013 8:47 PM, "Piotr Konieczny" &lt;pik1(a)pitt.edu&gt; wrote:

All right, for those interested, you can find my Prezis at http://prezi.com/user/piotrus/ Please note that they are still not finished! They need prettifying, inner slides; and such don't expect the existing slides to show you all content. I am certainly open to any comments - from style to missing content. Hope you find them useful. I expect the v.1 will be ready around summer, after I finish testing the beta on my spring students. Piotr On 2/15/2013 4:45 AM, Sage Ross wrote:

Userboxes: great idea!! I'll give that a try straight away: two of my pupils just created their own accounts, they didn't want to make a user page (weren't confident what to write). Userboxes are a fun start! Mina On Feb 15, 2013, at 2:35 AM, Juliana Bastos Marques wrote:

Good news. I am curious if you see a synergy between the course and my Prezi lectures I developed? -- Piotr On 2/19/2013 11:03 PM, Sage Ross wrote:

Piotr, those Prezi slides are great! The parts that zoom in on collaboration and interaction with other users are excellent; that might be a good starting point for the modules on those topics for the MOOC. -Sage On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon(a)post.pl&gt; wrote:

I've done a little more looking on the MOOC-for-credit high stakes assessment authentication patent situation, and it seems to me that this news story -- http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=72302 -- combined with the fact that the company involved was able to obtain a European patent -- http://www.google.com/patents/EP1987505A2 -- referencing a U.S. application, but was apparently unable to obtain a U.S. patent for a very similar application -- http://www.google.com/patents/US20070117082 -- which according to http://portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair is still pending. That application "11/603,258" does not seem to be doing very well in the U.S. per the following transaction history, so there is probably prior art. It would be a good idea to try to look for it anyway, I'd say, but at this point I doubt it is very urgent. 12-05-2012 Date Forwarded to Examiner 12-03-2012 Response after Non-Final Action 12-03-2012 Request for Extension of Time - Granted 06-05-2012 Electronic Review 06-05-2012 Email Notification 06-05-2012 Mail Non-Final Rejection 05-31-2012 Non-Final Rejection 12-28-2011 Date Forwarded to Examiner 12-23-2011 Request for Continued Examination (RCE) 12-28-2011 Disposal for a RCE / CPA / R129 12-23-2011 Workflow - Request for RCE - Begin 06-29-2011 Electronic Review 06-29-2011 Email Notification 06-29-2011 Mail Final Rejection (PTOL - 326) 06-23-2011 Final Rejection 04-28-2011 Date Forwarded to Examiner 03-23-2011 Response after Non-Final Action 03-23-2011 Affidavit(s) (Rule 131 or 132) or Exhibit(s) Received 03-23-2011 Request for Extension of Time - Granted 10-12-2010 Electronic Review 10-12-2010 Email Notification 10-12-2010 Mail Non-Final Rejection 10-06-2010 Non-Final Rejection 09-20-2010 Oath or Declaration Filed (Including Supplemental) 09-21-2010 Date Forwarded to Examiner 09-20-2010 Request for Continued Examination (RCE) 09-21-2010 Disposal for a RCE / CPA / R129 09-20-2010 Request for Extension of Time - Granted 09-20-2010 Workflow - Request for RCE - Begin 05-17-2010 Email Notification 05-17-2010 Mail Advisory Action (PTOL - 303) 05-13-2010 Advisory Action (PTOL-303) 05-11-2010 Affidavit(s) (Rule 131 or 132) or Exhibit(s) Received 05-12-2010 Date Forwarded to Examiner 05-11-2010 Amendment after Final Rejection 03-23-2010 Electronic Review 03-23-2010 Email Notification 03-23-2010 Mail Final Rejection (PTOL - 326) 03-16-2010 Final Rejection 01-26-2010 Date Forwarded to Examiner 12-22-2009 Response after Non-Final Action 12-22-2009 Request for Extension of Time - Granted 06-22-2009 Electronic Review 06-22-2009 Email Notification 06-22-2009 Mail Non-Final Rejection 06-18-2009 Non-Final Rejection 11-21-2006 Information Disclosure Statement considered 10-09-2008 Case Docketed to Examiner in GAU 06-06-2008 Case Docketed to Examiner in GAU 03-29-2008 Case Docketed to Examiner in GAU 10-17-2007 Withdraw Flagged for 5/25 10-15-2007 Flagged for 5/25 05-24-2007 PG-Pub Issue Notification 03-14-2007 IFW TSS Processing by Tech Center Complete 11-21-2006 Reference capture on IDS 11-21-2006 Information Disclosure Statement (IDS) Filed 11-21-2006 Information Disclosure Statement (IDS) Filed 02-05-2007 Application Dispatched from OIPE 02-05-2007 Application Is Now Complete 01-24-2007 Payment of additional filing fee/Preexam 01-24-2007 A statement by one or more inventors satisfying the requirement under 35 USC 115, Oath of the Applic 01-24-2007 Applicant has submitted new drawings to correct Corrected Papers problems 12-14-2006 Notice Mailed--Application Incomplete--Filing Date Assigned 12-05-2006 Cleared by OIPE CSR 11-29-2006 IFW Scan & PACR Auto Security Review 11-21-2006 Initial Exam Team nn On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:01 PM, James Salsman &lt;jsalsman(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

This looks exciting, I'll have to explore more! Given this conversation perhaps people on this list would be interested in having a look at the mooc Wikipedia page - which is ok at the moment but could certainly be improved if people have ideas.... Cheers Simon -----Original Message----- From: education-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sage Ross Sent: 23 February 2013 21:53 To: Wikimedia Education Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Massive open online course(s) about Wikipedia On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:01 PM, James Salsman &lt;jsalsman(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I'm very interested in porting the course to other, more open MOOC platforms if it goes well. In terms of a Coursera-like experience, it looks like Class2Go (also out of Stanford) is a promising project. It's an open source project started by some of the Stanford professors who had previously done some of the courses that laid the groundwork for Coursera. (I took Jennifer Widom's databases course the term before Coursera launched, and it had pretty much the same format as Coursera now uses; Widom is now doing the same course with Class2Go.) edX is also expected to become open source at some point soon. (I've not used their platform, but I expect it will also be strong.) P2PU is still evolving, and porting the course to there would mean some format changes--typical P2PU classes are more go-at-your-own-pace-independently affairs--but I think it'd be worth doing. Wikimedia UK is using Moodle for their "Virtual Learning Environment" project, which I'm eager to check out sometime soon. -Sage _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education

Yes, very exciting to see progress. MOOCs are just taking off here in the UK and there's a lot of interest, a lot of both good and bad experiences being reported. Institutions are keen to get on the bandwagon. I think news of a Wikipedia MOOC would generate a lot of interest from the UK. One very influential education consultant told me recently that Wikimedia would be the ideal, credible entity to *provide* MOOCs, being institution-neutral and noncommerical, but as the proposal discussion notes, we don't really have the infrastructure ourselves yet. On 8 March 2013 00:53, Everton Zanella Alvarenga &lt;tom(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: -- Dr Martin L Poulter Wikipedia contributor http://enwp.org/User:MartinPoulter Associate, Wikimedia UK http://uk.wikimedia.org/ Musician http://soundcloud.com/martin-poulter http://myspace.com/comapilot Person http://infobomb.org/

It was a private chat over dinner so I don't want to attach this person's name to a particular opinion, but there's no secret that we've been doing outreach with Jisc (jisc.ac.uk) which employs some very influential people in the education sector. The higher education system here in the UK is rather top-down compared to, say, the US, so my education outreach work has targeted management, national advisory bodies and people whose research area is open education, as well as university teaching staff. On 11 March 2013 21:02, Everton Zanella Alvarenga &lt;tom(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: -- Dr Martin L Poulter Wikipedia contributor http://enwp.org/User:MartinPoulter Associate, Wikimedia UK http://uk.wikimedia.org/ Musician http://soundcloud.com/martin-poulter http://myspace.com/comapilot Person http://infobomb.org/

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga &lt;tom(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: I'm looking into that. (Suggestions or contacts with potential funders would be most welcome.) -Sage