On 19 April 2013 18:03, Thehelpfulone <thehelpfulonewiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 19 April 2013 17:58, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <tom(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:
Thanks, James. Better than nothing. Although
since I and others made a
good effort to take notes, it is a pity if we lost it.
I don't who to ask to solve this pad server problem. Unfortunatly when I
tried to save on meta, the Internet at the conference didn't allow it. I
was going to use the hostel Internet, which luckly is better than the
hotel, but I couldn't access the pad.
I'll poke some people on IRC about it to see what's up with it. Re that
mailing list problem - if you've not managed to fix it, feel free to send
me an email, I'll see what I can do to fix it. :-)
The pad has been restored at
. I've pasted a copy below
too. Ops strongly recommend to *avoiding using etherpad*, it's very
unreliable, so please use an alternative in the future.
*== **Education Program Leaders Worskhop, **18 **April 2013** ==*
*=== Attendees ===*
*:Around 35 participants*
# Rod (WMF) [[user:]]
# LiAnna (WMF) [[user:Ldavis]]
# Tom (WMF - Brazil) [[user:ezalvarenga]]
# Ad Huikeshoven (WMNL) [[user:Ad Huikeshoven]]
# Fernanda Campagnucci (NGO Ação Educativa - Brazil) [[user:]]
# Antanana (WMUA) [[user:]]
*=== **Agenda** ===*
* Rod Dunican Global Education Program Director
**Main topics: Wikipedia and Education
* LiAnna Davis Global Education Program Communications Manager
*=== **9:15-10:30 Introductions** ===*
5 minutes to introduce yourself.
# *Gabriel Thullen, Wikimedia CH*. Professor in junior highschool. Students
use Wikipedia and I teach them how to use it, how it works, how Wikipedia
is a reference. Students can contribute themselves to understand how it
works. Teacher training and explaing how teachers can use Wikipedia. WMF
wants to know the metrics of what we do; I don't know. One year it can be
120 students; but students forget their username, password, you have
difficulties to monitor the results.
# *Charles Andrès. Wikimedia CH*, chair. Professor in university (Biology,
University of Neuchâtel); teachining Wikipedia to students, how to use
wikipedia but also how to edit wikipedia as a new suport for school work.
The chapter Wikimedia CH is supporting Wikimini. We receive a lot of
requests from schools and universities and we are planning to recruit a
person to take care of it.
# *Fernanda Campagnucci. Wikimedia Brazil* / Ação Educativa. Journalist,
coordinator of the Observatory on Education - a program held by the NGO
Ação Educativa - and researcher in education at the University of Sao
Paulo. We are discussing with WMF to become a local partner; as an office
and as a partner to develop joint projects. We have been working as an
association for 20 years (advocacy, public policies, literacy,
collaborations with schools/teachers/students). We identify with the
Wikimedia mouvment with which we share principals.
# *Eva Lepik. Wikimedia Estonia*. We just started our programme. We are
discussing with the ministry, to see how to integrate Wikipedia in the
Estonian education policies.
# *Daniel Mietchen* (for Wiki Project Med). We are all involved in
education: lectures in universities, collaborations with journals
(scientific journals), collaborations with professional societes related to
# *Iolanda Pensa, Wikimedia Italy/Wikimedia CH*. Developing projects with
Creative Commons and Wikipedia. Wikipedia Primary School.
# *Mathias Damour, Wikimedia France.* I am one of the promoter of Vikidia,
an encyclopedia for 8-15 years old kids (at the moment
French, Italian and Spanish). Articles are written for a specific target. I
proposed on meta ([[m:Wikikids]]) that the project is recognised among the
Wikimedia projects. Some people say that Wikipedia is too difficult for
children; so vikidia can be a good tool for younger readers. Children
provide their feedback on the vikidia.
*# Jeromy Yu Chan, Hong Kong*. Very wide use of Wikipedia but there is the
need to have more contributors, to better understand how Wikipedia works.
References and footnotes are an effective way to involve students. Now all
the volunteers in Hong Kong are trapped in the Wikimania organisation.
Potential collaborations: Government subsidide programme; support for
digital disadvantage students; ICT teacher association in the directly
subsidied schools (private scate schools with support of the government).
# *Claudia Garad, Wikimedia Austria*. Managing director at Wikimedia
Austria. Collaboration with univiersities, presentations in schools. We
don't have a strucutred programme at the moment and we would like to
*# SusikMkr, Wikimedia Armenia*. People are busy all time. Collaboration
with two universities. Students are contributing but it is dififcult to
include Wikipedia in the teaching process. This is what we want to do.
Activites in highschool; with training every month. Lectures in different
cities but it is difficult to reach them and to. Activities of the
volunteers are possible on saturday and sunday but this is obviously a
problem in collaborating with univerisities.
*# Filipe, Wikimedia Serbia*. Slide with years and institutions (faculties
of university and highschools); growing collaborations. We started in 2006
with a pioneer programme developed directly by volunteers. We develop our
activites with presentations, ICT-wiki skills development and practicals
(exercises on articles). Articles are related to school subjects. We needed
to create a policy with the community and we created an academia board
(with 4 members). we implemented a collaboration with primary school, to
train teachers. References/copyright are the most difficult part of an
articles. We need to adapt our training to the differnet target (highschool
students, university students, teachers...).
*# Mile, Wikimedia Serbia*. Please refer above.
*# Mohammed Alghbban, Saudi Arabia. *Our focus is on translations. From
English to Arabic and from Arabi to English. We work in university:
workshops for students (publishing, editing), always with a focus on
*# Sami Bin Slimah, Saudi Arabia*. Chair of the English department.
*# Thomaz D., Wikimedia Poland*. They had a lot of programs on how to edit
Wikipedia. Programme in primary, secondary school (focus on editing
articles about local geography and issus; some effective and some )and
# *X, Wikipedia Poland.* We have a programme for highschool; the
highschools actually came to us. We have documentation and we have several
projects. We don't have a specific educational programme.
# *Chris. Hong Kong*. He is working for Wikimania. Please refer to the
presentation of Jeromy Yu Chan, Hong Kong.
# *Vojtěch Dostál, Wikimedia Czech republic*. Student of biology. Many
articles have been written with volunteer work with the support of
ambassadors (teachers pairs). We ask teachers or we support teachers who
want to contribute. And we encourage students to contribute (and not being
afraid of contributing). We are connected with social media (Facebook,
Twitter) and helping students online.
*# Everton Zanella Alvarenga (Tom), WMF (consultant)*.
. We started with activities in India and I am
working in the programmes in Brazil - wondered why India is not here.
Education projects should have mid to long terms goals, if you try to make
it quickly, you will likely fail. He believes sharing the information and
the experiences is really the way we can enhance the educational programme
as a whole. There is not only Wikipedia; other projects can be targeted. In
Brazil we are collaborating with about 15 university professors; we made a
call in the second phase of the pilot. In certain places is difficult to
implement the programme only with volunteer work. We are producing and
translating resources and online training (videos, trainslations,
documentation in Portuguese) so that the program can become sustainable.
Encouraging translations with a collaboration with a university focus on it
based on the success of Egypt. The Education Program is also going to try
to revitalise the WikiProject of Medicine in partner with the Ministry of
*# Antanana, Wikimedia Ukraine.* There is a coordinator of the educational
programme. We implement workshops (coordinator is our executive director);
official collaboratons with universities (with MOU memorandum of
understanding - agreements). The official agreements are useful because
teachers feel they need to have a written authorisation to assign Wikipedia
articles to their students. Every university has a wikiproject page on the
Ukrainan Wikipedia and templates associated to the university. In March
2013 a short-term internship could be implemented on Wikipedia (Wikipedia
as the exam). Slide with metrix (universities, years, articles, media
*# Cornelia Trefflich, Wikimedia DE*. Slides. Different targets
(highschool, universities, also "generation 50+"). Activities with
collaborations, workshops, lectures, resources. The approach need to change
according to the different tagets. It is difficult to defnine what does
editor engagment mean. We mainly focus on Wikipedia rather than other
projects. We mainly had short-term initiatives which have difficulty to
produce long-term impact. Our goal is to increase diversity (how to engage
people, thematic grpups, collaborations with less conventional
*# Tim Moritz, Wikimedia DE*. A major issue is to work on the long-term
impact. How to support engament. Different approaches in different
languages. We need to concentrate also on what happens online after the
# *Dimce Grozdanoski/brest, President of Wikimedia Macedonia*.
Collaborations with professors in university and individual faculties like
Faculty of Information science, Faculty of Philosophy, Philology and
Faculty of Economics from University in Skopje, Education Faculty from
University in Shtip, Faculty of IT from University in Bitola and other.
From the beggining of this year, we start some
wikipedia/wikimedia projects to teachers in highschools/secondary
and we have very good feedback. We started wiki projects in many
highschools (groups of 15-20 students work on wikisections where they list
and select articles to improuve and edit, students have support from their
teachers; often articles related to local culture/geography).
# *Kiril Simeonovski, WIkimedia Madedonia.*
# *Jan Ainali Wikimedia SE*, CEO. As Estonia we are working to collaborate
with the ministry to include Wikipedia in school programmes. Identiifying
early adopters and support them. Starting an Amabassadors programme. Have
an online course for educators on Wikiversity. Programme with imigrants to
help the teachers in working with them; The programme includes writing
articles in their own language about Swidish culture.
*# Kalman Hajdu, Wikimedia Hungary. *Education in Hungary is very
conservative. We had collaborations with professors but difficulties in
involving them. In secondary school we have occasional lectures.
*# Nidal Yousef, Jordan.* I work at university. We started a programme in
university. We collaborate wiht 15 highschools with the association of
teachers. We develop activities in collaboration with our organisation
related to Arabic language. We also created groups (5-10 students each
group). We collaborate with a course related to ICT in university to
include how to write an article within the programme.
*# Faris El-Gwely, Egypt.* WMF consultant. Consultant for WMF. Programme in
Cairo. Now we are in 4 countries (Egpy, Soudi Arabia, Jordan, Algeria) Our
aim is to increase articles in Wikipedia in Arabic.
*# Ad Huikeshoven, Wikimedia Netherlands. *We are consdering if Wikimedia
NL should hire a person to coordinate the programme, what should be his/her
skills and what could be the objective of such a program. We have a
volunteer editor very active on Wikiversity asking for support to grow the
project. (Wikikids.nl exist for several years. Wikikids is targeted for
primary schools. The project runs on its own.)
*# Wikimedia Israel. *University using Wikipedia for their assignments.
Training for teachers and now establishing a collaboration with the
ministry of education. Support to teachers and workshops with students (in
*# Brian/Biosthmors*. Ambassador in the US educational programme. Working
on the Wiki med project.
*# Ganesh Paudel. Nepal*. We don't have a specific programme for education
but we have activities in universities.
*# Toni Sant, Wikimedia UK*. Joined as a part-time member of staff in
London 4 weeks ago so still fairly new to the job of Education Organizer.
Main focus is currently on a conference we're planning in the UK (Oct
31-Nov 1), which will be the second EduWiki conference. We also have other
projects, of course, which you can see at
(but some of this work is
in flux as we adjust to having a member of staff in the UK working directly
on Education). EduWiki 2013 details available at
I'm also Director of Research at the University of Hull in Scarborough
(which is in the North of England). Students at this university have been
editing Wikipedia as one of their assessment exercises since 2010. So this
experience is brought to the work I'm now doing for WMUK.
# *Leigh Thelmadatter, Monterrey Institute of Technology and Superior
Studies*, Mexico City Campus I have worked with Wikimedia in my classes
since 2007. This semester I work with medical English students who are
writing articles in English. The campus library has sponsored two foto
contests for students with results into Commons Also students do community
service requirements with Wikipedia (undergrad and International
More info at
*11:20-12:30 Support each other?*
How can we share the information? How can we support each other?
* Videoconferencing facilities -- enabling us to support each other across
* Online trainning
* Resources for the education program world wide (share the code!)
* Writing skills development
* Critical thinking (evaluting articles)
* Research skills (references, footnotes, sources)
* Collaboration (online collaborations, offline collaborations); how to
work with students on distance (not only students in one place but in
multiple places at the same time)
* the focus of the WMF is on US and Canada; now it will be really global
(WMF will recuit staff).
* create a cooperative: to exchage ideas, documentations, programmes...
* Expectations are different: some people want to work with small groups;
others want to extend their programmes and work on large-scale.
=== Support from the WMF ===
* 11h34 - LiAnna explanation:
** Shared set of resources (brochures focussed on Wikipedia as an assiment
and a teaching tool): she can share the InDesign code of these resources or
ship them to countries (in English) -
** Hands-on support (meetings, communication, exchanges, intervews, blog
** More close support to Egypt (Faris) and Brazil (Tom) because it is a WMF
** Mediawiki extensions for students (allows to trace the contribution of
students on Wikipedia in English)
** Translations; Mediawiki extension for translators.
** Courses list: MediaWiki extension for the education program:
** Online trainings (for students, instructurs and ambassadors). An online
training to guarantee scalability.
(Sage Ross developer of many of those tools and online consultant)
** Synergy with Moodle (recent Mediawiki plug-in available for Wikiversity)
=== Questions/Challenges ===
1) How to decentralize the support?
1.a) *@ LiAnna*: if everybody in the Wikimedia movement begin to contact
her, will she have time to support everybody? How to decentralize this kind
2) How to have the courses extension (see here <
) on our local Wikipedia?
3) How to improve the support from the WMF?
3.a) How to improve the support from other local groups involved in the
Wikimedia Education Program?
3.b) How to provide answers in a way that it is not a one-to-one
relationship with WMF?
4) How to form a *network* of people involved in this education program?
5) Education mailing list problems:
:Does the ed listserve work? Ive signed up a couple of times and I still
:Re: ed mailing list: Who are you? for me it works with 2 e-mails? Tom
:Im Thelmadatter I cant get this program to connect this color with my name
:Re: Please, send an e-mail to the list owners
education-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org telling your problem. I hope they can
quickly fix this.
:Ive done that too.. Have a response saved but still nothing
Re: Well, I manage some mailings lists, but I don't know how to solve in
this particular case. I will try to speak to people here tho.
:I appreciate that!
7) Time. How to find the time? How to make the volunteer time efficient?
How to be scalable as WMF team? the WMF will more or less remain the same
but it has to do more and more.
8) Knowing what the students are doing is different from getting
information on what the chapters are doing.
9) There are different perspectives involved. What students, chapters,
teachers, wikipedians, wikimedians, the WMF expect is different. Dynamics
of credibility, long-term impact, success of students, success of
9.a) True, who in the program in SF is an educator by profession?
(Add your name) None, I believe, is the answer.
(Tom) For Brazil: I barely believe in most things most experts of education
says. ;D #kidding #OrNot I hope I am wrong tho.
(Fernanda) Hey, Tom! We're scientists just like you. :P
10) What are the 2 job position for the education program Rod talked about?
=== Solutions/Trials ===
* Re: 1) (Thelmadatter) I think we should take cues from the GLAM program
which is almost completely decentralized. We have an online wiki education
newsletter in the Education portal on outreach
(LiAnna) It is not only necessary to provide translations but it is
necessary to localize resources. Sage Ross can be a supporter.
** New newsletter:*
- To receive an email reminder of new online newsletter, please contant me
(Thelmadatter) at osamadre(a)hotmail.com
* (Thelmadatter) Need teacher workshops for teachers by teachers
* *WMF team size:*
- The team at WMF is small. Three people and 2 open positions. The
solutions need to take also into account the dimentions of the WMF team and
what they can do.
More simple solution is promote better communication among people involved.
Devolve initiative and "status" to people outside of San Fran.
- Have a kind of mentoring for groups who wants to start a program and
wants learn from others who have already started something
* (Iolanda) *Words*. 1. Using the word "partner" helps the atmosphere and
the way things are done -- instead of "supporter".
(Toni) WMUK looks forward to potential partnerships with other chapters on
Education program developments.
2. Wikipedians, educators, wikimedians, students are not necessarly
separate categories. If they cross it is a success. It is acutally what the
programmes are meant for.
Re: (Tom) I agree. For this reason I believe a education program should not
involve only Wikipedia.
* (Shani) Synergies among GLAMs and education can be very productive. And
there are a lot of overlappings.
:Re: (Tom) I completly agree.
:Re: (Vojtech) Yes, but at the and of the day, someone still must do the
job. And it is probably the education coordinator.
WMUK is actively building a Moodle project, which will (hopefully) be
demonstrated at Wikimania in HK this summer.
*=== 14:06-15:00 Success?**=*==
*:*What does success mean?
====What do you do?====
* Lectures / workshops / videos
* Computer labs activites
* Consulting (students)
* Library material
* Open Access
* Research study curriculum
* Outreach: student societies/organizations
* Government agencies
* Online training (students, professors, ambassadors)
* Local education partner/GLAM
* Consulting with key steak holders
* Engage the local Wikipedia community
* Explaining the whole movement (Free Culture)
==== Challenges ====
* Recruitment of ambassadors excited with Wikipedia: teaching editing
skills is easy,but to turn a wikipedian is not
==== What are target audiences of educational activities? ====
* education administration; educators
* elderly people; former teachers / scientists, writers etc.
* thematic groups
* cultural centers
* government agencies
* politicans (position/oposition)
* social activists
-match the needs !
What does success mean?
* Increase number of editors/ quality of content
various goals of education activities:
*workflow of people
*increase number of editors
*increase diversity of participants (contents,discussion, communities)
*find as many different ways of students to participate (that is not
*address the fact that 57%copied unchecked on WP
*engaging students in a group work translation
*students should learn something
*peer review each others work (collaborative work)
*integration into education from an early age on
*to not reinvent the (same) wheel
*make a self-sustainable education program
*"Let's change the world"
what type of content do you want to add?
open licences (in a broader sense)
--> OPEN ! we are part of an "open" eco-system
:) and http://freedomdefined.org
*1*5:00-16:30 More success?
16:30-17:00 Wrap up/next steps