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James Salsman

9 Apr 2015 9 Apr '15

5:30 p.m.

I would love to see a grant from the WEF to pay humans to do Revision Scoring as a Service as per http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Revision_scoring_as_a_service Can someone please put that in IdeaLab and send me the URL? On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Jason Radford <jsradford(a)uchicago.edu> wrote:

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Hi Everyone, I wanted to share two projects currently under consideration for IdeaLab funding and which may be of directly related to engaging new and seasoned editors. If you are interested or know someone who might be, let me know. If you have feedback for these projects, please submit it on their discussion pages. Thanks, Jason Wiki Controversy Monitoring Engine Call for Developers Purpose: The controversy monitoring engine maintains a real-time rating of the controversiality of Wikipedia articles by listening to the live stream of edits from Wikipedia. We need someone who is interested in building the web interface and interactive visualizations around these controversies to enable administrators to monitor, investigate, and, if need be, intervene to deescalate controversies. The goal is to create a site like stats.wikimedia.org editors and admins can use to identify and deescalate controversies. Requirements: Knowledge of web development, web-based visualization, and\or data analysis using Wikipedia's API or WikiData. For More Information: see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Controversy_Monitoring_Engine Consciousness-Raising Repository Call for Working Group Participants Purpose: We're putting together a group of diverse Wikipedians to help put together a repository of stories from users experiencing marginalization on Wikipedia. Whether first timers or old timers, we're looking to recruit users interested in engaging the community around marginalization. The purpose of the repository is to serve as a database of knowledge about the forms marginalization can take and as an outlet for users experiencing marginalization. Requirements: Interest in working with marginalization and marginalized groups. Interest in the Wiki-community. Willing to attend an hour-long biweekly meeting. For more information: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/A_Consciousness_Raising_Repo… -- Jason Radford Doctoral Student, Sociology, University of Chicago Visiting Researcher, Lazer Lab, Northeastern University Connect: LinkedIn, Twitter, University of Chicago Play Games for Science at Volunteer Science _______________________________________________ EE mailing list EE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee

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Alex Stinson

10 Apr 10 Apr

6:53 a.m.

New subject: [EE] Wikimedia Idealab Grant Call for Participants

There is also another grant of interest from the Inspire campain to the Education program in general: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/University_of_Nebraska_Women… On my volunteer time, I have been talking to Daniel (the grant nominator) about how to execute a program like this: and he seems to have created quite a coalition of interest at UNL. What's important about the coalition: he is going to be involving a number of people active in the Digital Humanities: a field that has overlapping interests and skills that would be useful for the Wikipedia Education program, but in which we are only starting to see Wikipedia approached as a tool of interest. I would recommend supporting the grant: because it provides us a model of involvement for Universities that isn't just bound by individual classrooms. Alex Stinson Alex Stinson On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:30 PM, James Salsman <jsalsman(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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know.

If you have feedback for these projects, please submit it on their discussion pages. Thanks, Jason Wiki Controversy Monitoring Engine Call for Developers Purpose: The controversy monitoring engine maintains a real-time rating

the controversiality of Wikipedia articles by listening to the live

stream

of edits from Wikipedia. We need someone who is interested in building

the

web interface and interactive visualizations around these controversies

enable administrators to monitor, investigate, and, if need be,

intervene to

deescalate controversies. The goal is to create a site like stats.wikimedia.org editors and admins can use to identify and

deescalate

controversies. Requirements: Knowledge of web development, web-based visualization,

and\or

data analysis using Wikipedia's API or WikiData. For More Information: see

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Controversy_Monitoring_Engine

Consciousness-Raising Repository Call for Working Group Participants Purpose: We're putting together a group of diverse Wikipedians to help

put

together a repository of stories from users experiencing marginalization

Wikipedia. Whether first timers or old timers, we're looking to recruit users interested in engaging the community around marginalization. The purpose of the repository is to serve as a database of knowledge about

the

forms marginalization can take and as an outlet for users experiencing marginalization. Requirements: Interest in working with marginalization and marginalized groups. Interest in the Wiki-community. Willing to attend an hour-long biweekly meeting. For more information:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/A_Consciousness_Raising_Repo…

-- Jason Radford Doctoral Student, Sociology, University of Chicago Visiting Researcher, Lazer Lab, Northeastern University Connect: LinkedIn, Twitter, University of Chicago Play Games for Science at Volunteer Science _______________________________________________ EE mailing list EE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee

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Charles Matthews

7:21 a.m.

New subject: [EE] Wikimedia Idealab Grant Call for Participants

On 10 April 2015 at 07:53, Alex Stinson <sadads(a)gmail.com> wrote: What's important about the coalition: he is going to be involving a number

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of people active in the Digital Humanities: a field that has overlapping interests and skills that would be useful for the Wikipedia Education program, but in which we are only starting to see Wikipedia approached as a tool of interest.

Samir Elsharbaty

13 Apr 13 Apr

11:22 a.m.

New subject: [EE] Wikimedia Idealab Grant Call for Participants

Hello everyone, First, thank you, James for sharing and reviving interest in revision scoring. It is really an important aspect of education programs but unfortunately not many of the program volunteers around the world paid much attention to it before. I would also like to thank Alex Stinson for sharing that inspire campaign grant proposal with us. He was right in his endorsement mentioning the Wiki Education Foundation as they take care of/manage Wikipedia Education Program in the US and Canada. They would be the best people to contact concerning Wikipedia education activities there. It was great that you thought of IdeaLab <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab>, James! We always say "*Be bold* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold>" which means that it would be better to see your ideas expressed on wiki by your hands, so, please be bold, start the IdeaLab page and share the link with us. Please don't hesitate to contact me with any questions you may have. Sincerely, Samir On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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On 10 April 2015 at 07:53, Alex Stinson <sadads(a)gmail.com> wrote: What's important about the coalition: he is going to be involving a number

I would agree with Alex here. Digital Humanities (DH) means different things to different people, but combines "data led" with "reaches the parts others don't" for Wikimedia in an enticing way. It's a big discussion. Just one point: it helps to think of sister projects (Commons, Wikisource, Wikidata) coming together in the offering. Charles _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education

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James Salsman

17 Apr 17 Apr

6:05 p.m.

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Thank you, Samir! I need to see updates at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Revision_scoring_as_a_service/Ti… before I can know what to write. Does the WEF use the WMF's Meta IdeaLab for grants, too? Also, I need a login to be able to read http://wikiedu.org/wiki/index.php?title=Outreach_Pilot Would you please send me a login to that wiki? I will happily set up a page with a proposal to pay people to do revision scoring. I would also like to propose paying people to do https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Accuracy_review which is like revision scoring, but targeted to things that are most likely to be wrong, make the most difference when they're wrong, confuse people when they're wrong, etc. Revision scoring also does this, but in a potentially less targeted fashion. There may also be a happier medium between the two approaches, but it seems unlikely that people will be able to figure out what the space of mediums is without constructing the endpoints. Best regards, James On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Samir Elsharbaty <selsharbaty(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Hello everyone, First, thank you, James for sharing and reviving interest in revision scoring. It is really an important aspect of education programs but unfortunately not many of the program volunteers around the world paid much attention to it before. I would also like to thank Alex Stinson for sharing that inspire campaign grant proposal with us. He was right in his endorsement mentioning the Wiki Education Foundation as they take care of/manage Wikipedia Education Program in the US and Canada. They would be the best people to contact concerning Wikipedia education activities there. It was great that you thought of IdeaLab, James! We always say "Be bold" which means that it would be better to see your ideas expressed on wiki by your hands, so, please be bold, start the IdeaLab page and share the link with us. Please don't hesitate to contact me with any questions you may have. Sincerely, Samir On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

On 10 April 2015 at 07:53, Alex Stinson <sadads(a)gmail.com> wrote:

What's important about the coalition: he is going to be involving a number of people active in the Digital Humanities: a field that has overlapping interests and skills that would be useful for the Wikipedia Education program, but in which we are only starting to see Wikipedia approached as a tool of interest.

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LiAnna Davis

7:14 p.m.

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Wiki Ed has no plans to apply for a grant for the Inspire campaign -- as an independent 501(c)3 nonprofit, we have other funding opportunities to support our programs that tackle the gender gap, and we don't want to compete for movement funds in this area with other groups who have a less well-developed fundraising capability than we do. But we obviously support the work to close the gender gap -- we've steadily maintained higher than 60% female student editors (68% last term! http://wikiedu.org/blog/2015/02/05/gender-gap-68-percent/), and our partnership with the National Women's Studies Association ( http://www.nwsa.org/content.asp?pl=17&contentid=111) is specifically targeting filling content gaps related to the gender gap. And a housekeeping note -- the wikiedu.org wiki you linked to is our office wiki, which contains some sensitive information, so access is limited to Wiki Ed staff. But you can track more information about our programs in our monthly reports: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Education_Foundation#Monthly_reports Specifically related to the Outreach Pilot you mentioned, more information on the pilot (beyond what's said in each monthly report) is available in these blog posts: http://wikiedu.org/blog/category/outreach-program/ LiAnna On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:05 AM, James Salsman <jsalsman(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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much

attention to it before. I would also like to thank Alex Stinson for

sharing

that inspire campaign grant proposal with us. He was right in his endorsement mentioning the Wiki Education Foundation as they take care of/manage Wikipedia Education Program in the US and Canada. They would be the best people to contact concerning Wikipedia education activities

there.

It was great that you thought of IdeaLab, James! We always say "Be bold" which means that it would be better to see your ideas expressed on wiki

your hands, so, please be bold, start the IdeaLab page and share the link with us. Please don't hesitate to contact me with any questions you may have. Sincerely, Samir On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > On 10 April 2015 at 07:53, Alex Stinson <sadads(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> What's important about the coalition: he is going to be involving a >> number of people active in the Digital Humanities: a field that has >> overlapping interests and skills that would be useful for the Wikipedia >> Education program, but in which we are only starting to see Wikipedia >> approached as a tool of interest. > > > I would agree with Alex here. Digital Humanities (DH) means different > things to different people, but combines "data led" with "reaches the

parts

> others don't" for Wikimedia in an enticing way. It's a big discussion.

Just

one point: it helps to think of sister projects (Commons, Wikisource, Wikidata) coming together in the offering. Charles _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education

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James Salsman

10:16 p.m.

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Great; thank you, LeAnna. I wish I could think of a budget for Accuracy Review. It would really help if someone from WEF would co-mentor it. LeAnna, would you like to co-mentor, or do you know anyone at Wiki Ed who would? I have to reach out to the Simple English Wikipedia and inform them I am asking WEF to help make a bot for them. Luckily, my experience with up-goer five talk, LOGLAN, Freudenthal's 1960 LINCOS, and English should make that easy. If you want to co-mentor, you can try that, or tell me to do it as you prefer. Would it be okay to ask you to reach out to the Revision Scoring as a Service people and ask them, if you paid people to score revisions, how much you should offer? Although, it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask if that would put their (WMF's) fair harbor provisions at risk. I doubt it would, so I'll ignore the possibility for now. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If I had to guess at the starting amount, it would be $20 per hour plus pension and benefits. I don't know if that's right so I would love to hear other opinions. I note that you can select a 50% ratio, and potentially more women than men, if you can amortize reparations. I have also been trying to work on attracting female editors within the strict confines of improving the encyclopedia. I predict we will have gender equality among editors by total attention by 2025 without accuracy review and by 2023 with it, but please don't put that in the advantages column until I've double checked it. Best regards, James On Friday, April 17, 2015, LiAnna Davis <lianna(a)wikiedu.org> wrote:

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much

attention to it before. I would also like to thank Alex Stinson for

sharing

the best people to contact concerning Wikipedia education activities

there.

It was great that you thought of IdeaLab, James! We always say "Be bold" which means that it would be better to see your ideas expressed on wiki

your hands, so, please be bold, start the IdeaLab page and share the

link

with us. Please don't hesitate to contact me with any questions you may have. Sincerely, Samir On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com

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> > On 10 April 2015 at 07:53, Alex Stinson <sadads(a)gmail.com

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> >> What's important about the coalition: he is going to be involving a >> number of people active in the Digital Humanities: a field that has >> overlapping interests and skills that would be useful for the

Wikipedia

>> Education program, but in which we are only starting to see Wikipedia >> approached as a tool of interest. > > > I would agree with Alex here. Digital Humanities (DH) means different > things to different people, but combines "data led" with "reaches the

parts

> others don't" for Wikimedia in an enticing way. It's a big discussion.

Just

> one point: it helps to think of sister projects (Commons, Wikisource, > Wikidata) coming together in the offering. > > Charles > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org

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Sage Ross

18 Apr 18 Apr

12:17 a.m.

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I'll take the baton from LiAnna here, since this is a problem space I've been working on. On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 3:16 PM, James Salsman <jsalsman(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I wish I could think of a budget for Accuracy Review. It would really help if someone from WEF would co-mentor it. LeAnna, would you like to co-mentor, or do you know anyone at Wiki Ed who would? I have to reach out to the Simple English Wikipedia and inform them I am asking WEF to help make a bot for them. Luckily, my experience with up-goer five talk, LOGLAN, Freudenthal's 1960 LINCOS, and English should make that easy. If you want to co-mentor, you can try that, or tell me to do it as you prefer.

We're broadly interested in the concept of 'accuracy review' (which would be quite different from the revision scoring, at least as laid out by Aaron Halfaker and company), but it's not something we've got the bandwidth for right now. We're also, at least for the time being, just focused on English Wikipedia.

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Would it be okay to ask you to reach out to the Revision Scoring as a Service people and ask them, if you paid people to score revisions, how much you should offer? Although, it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask if that would put their (WMF's) fair harbor provisions at risk. I doubt it would, so I'll ignore the possibility for now. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If I had to guess at the starting amount, it would be $20 per hour plus pension and benefits. I don't know if that's right so I would love to hear other opinions.

I've been chatting with the folks working on this, and they are actually quite close to having a usable API for estimated article quality — which I'm super excited about building into our dashboard. The human part of it will be down the road a bit, but the main purpose there will be to continually improve the model by having experienced editors create good ratings data for training the model. But I expect that there won't be much trouble in finding Wikipedians to pitch on that. I had actually been exploring the idea of setting up a crowdsourcing system where we might pay experienced editors to do before and after ratings for student work, but at this point I'm much more enthusiastic about the machine learning approach that the revision-scoring-as-a-service project is taking — since that is easy to scale up and maintain long term. -Sage

James Salsman

12:27 a.m.

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Thank you, Sage, for your reply:

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... I've been chatting with the folks working on this, and they are actually quite close to having a usable API for estimated article quality — which I'm super excited about building into our dashboard. The human part of it will be down the road a bit, but the main purpose there will be to continually improve the model by having experienced editors create good ratings data for training the model. But I expect that there won't be much trouble in finding Wikipedians to pitch on that. I had actually been exploring the idea of setting up a crowdsourcing system where we might pay experienced editors to do before and after ratings for student work, but at this point I'm much more enthusiastic about the machine learning approach that the revision-scoring-as-a-service project is taking — since that is easy to scale up and maintain long term.

I recommend measuring the optimal amount of human input and review. It is very substantially nonzero if you want to maximize the encyclopedia's utility function. There is really nobody at the WEF who wants to try to co-mentor accuracy review? What if there was a cap on total hours needed. I am sure you wouldn't regret it, but I am also happy to continue on my own for the time being. Best regards, James

Sage Ross

20 Apr 20 Apr

5:33 p.m.

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On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 5:27 PM, James Salsman <jsalsman(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Thank you, Sage, for your reply:

... I've been chatting with the folks working on this, and they are

actually

quite close to having a usable API for estimated article quality — which

I'm

super excited about building into our dashboard. The human part of it

will

be down the road a bit, but the main purpose there will be to continually improve the model by having experienced editors create good ratings data

for

training the model. But I expect that there won't be much trouble in

finding

Wikipedians to pitch on that. I had actually been exploring the idea of setting up a crowdsourcing

system

where we might pay experienced editors to do before and after ratings for student work, but at this point I'm much more enthusiastic about the

machine

learning approach that the revision-scoring-as-a-service project is

taking —

since that is easy to scale up and maintain long term.

I'm definitely interested in better systems for human review — especially for the work of student editors — alongside automated qualtiy estimation tools. It's not a project Wiki Ed has the capacity to take on right now, though. -Sage

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