My point was, to be more clear, that you are implying that *given* that a Professor is "not allowed to contribute information about their *own* published research papers...." this mean "they are forbidden to write about the things about they are most passionate and knowledgeable about."
 
The given point is true, the conclusion you draw from it is false.  That was my point.
 
Without citing my own work, I can contribute in areas about which I am an expert, simply by citing all the works of those upon which shoulders I stand.  Correct?  That was my point.
 
Wikipedia does not *have* to be current.  In fact it probably should not be, but rather it should form the substrate upon which current work progresses.  It does not have to cite that current work.
 
<<I have been frequently told (at the Teahouse and elsewhere) that Professors are not allowed to contribute information about their own published research papers on Wikipedia pages, because this would be biased. (Which is rather a downer for the professor, because this means they are forbidden to write about the things they are most passionate and knowledgeable about.) >>
 
 
 
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Thanks, but I did not say that a person could not cite their own work.

What I said was that the advice given to academics at the Treehouse is that they are not allowed to do so.

This appeared to be backed up by Leigh who said that advice on this issue was 'variable' if I remember correctly.


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On 10 Jul 2014, at 19:14, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote:

Jenny it's curious that you say that because a person cannot cite their *own work* that means they cannot contribute in their expert area.  If they are *truly* an expert and not a faux expert, then they can *surely* contribute all the background material which is generally accepted in their field, without even touching recent work.
 
If they cannot do that, I would present the claim, that they are not an expert in that field in the first place.
 
 
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From: Leigh Thelmadatter <osamadre@hotmail.com>
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Ive gotten mixed answers on the question of citing one's own work.

From: gristock@me.com
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 15:43:46 +0100
To: education@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Overcoming a roadblock to engagement

Greetings everyone. I'm still working on that system to encourage university professors to contribute to Wikipedia, a system that is concerned not through teaching, like the Education Programme, but through research.

I need some help. Can you tell me, in the Wikipedia API, is there a way to count the contributions that a user has made on behalf of another particular user? For example, a professor might ask a group of PhD students to make contributions involving his/her research on various Wikipedia pages, on his/her behalf.

I have been frequently told (at the Teahouse and elsewhere) that Professors are not allowed to contribute information about their own published research papers on Wikipedia pages, because this would be biased. (Which is rather a downer for the professor, because this means they are forbidden to write about the things they are most passionate and knowledgeable about.) 

If this is rule is true, then it must certainly be seen as a roadblock to academic engagement with Wikipedia. If it isn't, then it is editors' perception of the rule as true (as I have experienced) that is the roadblock.

It seems to me that the way to overcome this roadblock is to introduce a way of counting the contributions made by a person (say, a research student, or a colleague) on behalf of a Professor. So at the end of the year, the Professor can say 'my research contributed to X edits on Wikipedia' as easily as each individual student (who might contribute on behalf of many academic researchers) can count their individual edits.

Can the API accommodate this in some way? Perhaps through some sort of 'project' code or something?


Yours hopefully,

Jenny Gristock (Open_Research)

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On 9 Jul 2014, at 22:40, LiAnna Davis <lianna@wikiedu.org> wrote:

Hi all!

I wanted to draw your attention to the Educator Training we'll be having as part of the Wikimania Pre-conference on August 7:


The Educator Training is designed to give educators of all levels the knowledge they need to use Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects as a teaching tool in their classrooms. The training is open to educators from any country, and Wikipedia editing experience is not required. 

If you're interested in attending or you know someone who is, please see the page for more information. I especially encourage anyone who's thought about getting a Wikipedia Education Program going in your country to attend, as you'll learn a lot about the different kinds of assignments students could do.

LiAnna


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