On Jun 5, 2015 2:35 AM, "James Salsman" <jsalsman@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pine, sure, the WikiEd Foundation is able to pay for fact checking
without risking the Wikimedia Foundation's safe harbor. The funding
model was originally going to be to crowdsourced, but now that I have
relatively more money than time, I am probably going to pay for the
bot development work out of pocket myself, but still plan to set up
something along the lines of http://imgur.com/a/Pp2zr to pay for the
fact checkers. The WikiEd Foundation has an interest in making sure
that their students' work is not degrading the accuracy of the
encyclopedia, and this provides them an easy way to do so.

As for your final question, why should Lila not be involved in this
discussion? Weren't you just a few days ago saying that the annual
plan comment period should be longer and more inclusive? But I guess
the best answer is that, if the WikiEd Foundation isn't interested in
general accuracy review for work other than by their students, then a
second spin-off foundation is probably going to be necessary.


On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> I understand that WMF can't do much content work without risking its DCMA
> safe harbor, and I understand that fact checking even if paid might be a net
> benefit to the project. But I'm not sure how that relates to the Education
> mailing list, what funding model you are proposing for this work, why the
> Wiki Ed Foundation would want to include this kind of fact checking within
> its scope of work even if the funding was readily available, and why Lila
> would be involved in this discussion. Can you clarify those points?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:42 AM, James Salsman <jsalsman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> P.S. Report is at http://people.aifb.kit.edu/ffl//wikiwho/fp715-floeck.pdf
>> and further docs at http://f-squared.org/wikiwho/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:25 AM, James Salsman <jsalsman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Aaron and Pine,
>> >
>> > Please see
>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2015-May/031684.html
>> >
>> > I was thrilled to see Maribel Acosta's WikiWho check-in for
>> > Mediawiki-Utilities today, and I hope you are, too:
>> > https://github.com/maribelacosta/wikiwho/pull/3
>> >
>> > I intend to raise money independently so that someone such as Maribel
>> > or perhaps one of her colleagues recommended by Fabian Flöck can work
>> > on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Accuracy_review
>> >
>> > Once that is complete, the project calls for human fact checkers to
>> > work on the suggested passages for proofreading and fact checking
>> > review. I intend to raise money for them, too, but I understand that
>> > the WMF can't have any part of hiring them to preserve the safe harbor
>> > DMCA provisions. Earlier in the year, I administered qualifying
>> > examinations to hundreds of fact checker candidates, and have
>> > transferred the results of those examinations to Lila and Dario, in
>> > case I get run over by a bus, and also so that they can independently
>> > confirm the quality of the examination process, questions, and
>> > responses which they should have.
>> >
>> > Aaron, can you please confirm that Lila and Dario have those and don't
>> > need anything more from me to read them? I would love to do this
>> > myself, but I will be very busy through the end of the year.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > James
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Aaron Halfaker
>> > <aaron.halfaker@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi James,
>> >>
>> >> I've been away traveling for the last couple of weeks.  Regretfully, I
>> >> don't
>> >> know what you are talking about.  I see that a link was censored from a
>> >> previous email in the thread.
>> >>
>> >> What exactly are you hoping for?  That we'll dedicate some researcher
>> >> time
>> >> to a specific project?  Maybe you're just looking for feedback.  I see
>> >> you
>> >> mention hiring people -- but for what purpose?
>> >>
>> >> -Aaron
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:11 PM, James Salsman <jsalsman@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> P.S. I mean, the WMF can't hire them but the WEF can, and I hope they
>> >>> do
>> >>> soon to complement the accuracy metric without expenditure.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, James Salsman <jsalsman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Aaron,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Could you please confirm that Lila and Dario are in receipt of the
>> >>>> fact-checker candidate list and associated materials? Please remember
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> the WEF can't hire them but the WikiEd Foundation has not yet
>> >>>> achieved
>> >>>> IdeaLab technology, so your assistance may still be required. Thank
>> >>>> you for
>> >>>> your patience.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>> James Salsman
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>> From: James Salsman <jsalsman@gmail.com>
>> >>>> Date: Sunday, May 31, 2015
>> >>>> Subject: comments on Annual Plan
>> >>>> To: Lila Tretikov <lila@wikimedia.org>
>> >>>> Cc: Dario Taraborelli <dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear Dario and Lila,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Are you both able to see the human fact checker and proofreader
>> >>>> candidates in
>> >>>>  [censored] ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please keep the contents of that file confidential, as I promised I
>> >>>> would
>> >>>> not share it with commercial interests.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please let me know your thoughts on the next best steps.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>> James
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:05 PM, James Salsman <jsalsman@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Lila,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thank you so much. I will help Dario as much as I can. You are both
>> >>>>> so
>> >>>>> great.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>> Jim
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thursday, May 28, 2015, Lila Tretikov <lila@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi James,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Not sure we can "take this away" better than another volunteer, but
>> >>>>>> we
>> >>>>>> do plan to focus on quality measurements. I am CCing Dario who is
>> >>>>>> in charge
>> >>>>>> of Analytics Research to look into the specifics of what's involved
>> >>>>>> here and
>> >>>>>> how it may link to the general quality metrics.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Lila
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:54 AM, James Salsman <jsalsman@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hi Lila,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Please take this away from me. I do not want to be in a position
>> >>>>>>> where
>> >>>>>>> my influence over it can unduly enrich my new client by degrading
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> quality of the encyclopedia.  Please let me know your decision.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>>> James
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>>>>> From: James Salsman <jsalsman@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> Date: Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:52 AM
>> >>>>>>> Subject: comments on Annual Plan
>> >>>>>>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Regarding
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2015-16#Engineering
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Will key quality metrics for reading include accuracy of articles
>> >>>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>> the Simple English Wikipedia?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> To that end, will the Wikimedia Foundation please take over this
>> >>>>>>> project in full as stated here:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2015-May/031684.html
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I have a new contract through the end of the year and will be
>> >>>>>>> unable
>> >>>>>>> to devote the time I had planned. Thank you.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>>> James Salsman
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
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