Hi Mina,<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s their loss if they don&#39;t open their best work. In the robo-teacher future, authorship is still attractive to students. There&#39;s no way to be completely non-neutral if someone is paying you for work, which is why volunteer firefighters exist. Karma is the central idea of the folks who came up with zero 1,500 years ago, so it&#39;s okay. I hate Facebook and would never have a Facebook account, but some of my best friends work there and I have helped them in the past. If you know how to figure out Facebook groups then please tell me which ones would be best for <a href="http://talknicer.com/icryo">talknicer.com/icryo</a> and <a href="http://talknicer.com/susjam">talknicer.com/susjam</a> because if they keep supporting open source work then maybe I will change my mind.<div>
<br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Jim<br><br>On Tuesday, November 19, 2013, Mina Theofilatou  wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>





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<div><font face="Arial">Amir I fully understand your arguments... but 
I see a conflict of interest here: they&#39;re encouraging students to write 
open code on the one hand, and keeping their own code proprietary on the other. 
Same with Google I guess. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">I can also see a cheap and dishonest recruiting 
process going on here... not to mention the semantics of the #1 proprietary 
social networking platform in the world associating its name with Opensource and 
established Universities. It&#39;s a win-win (to the nth power!) situation for 
Facebook. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">And finally: how would we volunteers at 
Wikimedia feel if Facebook did the same thing officially and &quot;out in the open&quot; 
(i.e. earning CSR credits) with us?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Tyson Henry has added an interesting comment on the 
page (last one as of now)... what do you think?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Mina</font></div>
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  <div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> 
  <a title="amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il" href="javascript:_e({}, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il&#39;);" target="_blank">Amir E. Aharoni</a> </div>
  <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="education@lists.wikimedia.org" href="javascript:_e({}, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;education@lists.wikimedia.org&#39;);" target="_blank">Wikimedia Education</a> </div>
  <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:00 
  AM</div>
  <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Wikimedia Education] An 
  alarming piece of news: Facebook teams with opensource???</div>
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  <div dir="ltr">Google has been doing similar things for years with Google Summer 
  of Code. So did other organizations.<br><br></div>
  <div dir="ltr">Free software is not necessarily non-commercial.<br><br></div>
  <div dir="ltr">The whole point of Free Software is that everybody should be 
  allowed to do pretty much everything. It cannot and should not be prohibited. 
  Free software may, however, need to adapt to contributions from commercial 
  organizations. When Google tried a few years ago to pay people to fill 
  Wikipedias in languages of India with auto-translated articles, it was a big 
  failure, because the editors community rejected it. When PR companies are 
  filling Wikipedia articles in different with poorly sourced and biased 
  information about their clients, it is also frequently rejected and 
  deleted.<br><br></div>
  <div dir="ltr">A different issue is constructive editing for money or for 
  prizes. Some countries held article writing contests with prizes, and though 
  there was some opposition to them, they didn&#39;t hurt the projects in the long 
  run, especially if they already had established communities of volunteer 
  editors at the time of the contest. In any case, very few articles are usually 
  written in such contests. It&#39;s unlikely at this point that Wikipedia in any 
  language will be overwhelmed with many thousands of articles written for 
  money, although this may change in the future. Again, we cannot and should not 
  prohibit it, but we may want to think about how we shall adapt ourselves to 
  it.<br></div></div>
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  <div><br>--<br>Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי<br><a href="http://aharoni.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://aharoni.wordpress.com</a><br>‪“We&#39;re living in 
  pieces,<br>I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬</div><br><br>
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  <div dir="ltr">2013/11/19 Mina Theofilatou <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="javascript:_e({}, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;theoth@otenet.gr&#39;);" target="_blank">theoth@otenet.gr</a>&gt;</span></div>
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    <div><font face="Arial">Hello all</font></div>
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    <div><font face="Arial">I just wanted to share a link that I just found. It 
    seems that Facebook is running a campaign to encourage Computer Science 
    students to earn academic credits by contributing to opensource 
    projects:</font></div>
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    <div><font face="Arial"><a href="http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/13/facebook-partners-with-22-universities-to-give-compsci-students-academic-credit-for-open-source-projects/" target="_blank">http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/13/facebook-partners-with-22-universities-to-give-compsci-students-academic-credit-for-open-source-projects/</a>#!</font></div>

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    <div><font face="Arial">I don&#39;t think Facebook should be allowed to do this. 
    Imagine Facebook tried to pry its way into Wikimedia: I would expect all of 
    us to revolt. A for-profit organization taking advantage of non-profit 
    ideals??? MAKING PROFIT on non-profit? Would they even consider 
    converting THEIR project into an open-source one? Of course not. Don&#39;t 
    Mozilla and other Open Source Projects have ways of campaigning to attract 
    CompSci students in their own organisations? Why does Facebook have to 
    be the middleman? I find it revolting... if this is their idea of corporate 
    social responsibility, I&#39;ll have to find away to stop using Facebook 
    altogether in reply. </font></div>
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