Hello,
I have few question for discovery portal and API:
- possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the* A/B test*?
- do you have or plan to have a feature for *discovery *between* topics?* E.g. suggestions connecting two topics. I ve been working on this.
- Which is the difference in API:Search between: *list=search *and* generator=search ?* The first seems to be faster to me.
- I need to fetch the *pageIDs* of the results, and have them already redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt.
With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search Could you help in grasping query parameters?
#generator=search params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
#list=search params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords, 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', *'indexpageids' : 1 *} ??
I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are hit, no matter of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=searc...
- I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in search=list Has it a special meaning?
Luigi Assom, 26/01/2016 09:44:
- Which is the difference in API:Search between:
*list=search *and*generator=search ?*
Does https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Generators help?
Nemo
Which A/B test are you referring to? We have tried quite a few :). Or do you just generally want to be included in the A/B tests?
On 26 January 2016 at 03:44, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I have few question for discovery portal and API:
possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the A/B test?
do you have or plan to have a feature for discovery *between* topics? E.g.
suggestions connecting two topics. I ve been working on this.
- Which is the difference in API:Search between:
list=search and generator=search ? The first seems to be faster to me.
- I need to fetch the pageIDs of the results, and have them already
redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt.
With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search Could you help in grasping query parameters?
#generator=search params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
#list=search params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords, 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', 'indexpageids' : 1 } ??
I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are hit, no matter of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=searc...
- I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in search=list
Has it a special meaning?
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Hi!
@ Oliver, about A/B test I refer to the email of 13 Jan 2016 by Deborah Tankersley [discovery] New A/B testing on Wikipedia Portal page however, yes I would like tobe included in A/B tests in general, not a particular one. I m mostrly interested in full text search, knowledge discovery and discovery of topics' context.
@Luca Nemo
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Generators https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Search
Not much clear to me yet, sorry.
I will rephrase my question: I would like to do a full-text search (FTS) query, have the pageids and decorators.
I also would like to have results hit (I see them in API:Search, list=search); I would like to access the page_Ids of articles (see them in generators).
I would like to understand if the backend between two is different, since I've read list=search use an ElasticSearch instance, and it seems to me it is faster and better FTS (not tried extensively, through). Also, list=search offers a snippet and may be less expensive for wiki server instead of quering an exerpt - is it the case?
I pass: params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
would like to do the same with list=search.
Could you please show an example of FTS with list=search ?
Not clear to me how coudl I pass a list to a generator, if it is the case.
Thank you.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Which A/B test are you referring to? We have tried quite a few :). Or do you just generally want to be included in the A/B tests?
On 26 January 2016 at 03:44, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I have few question for discovery portal and API:
possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the A/B test?
do you have or plan to have a feature for discovery *between* topics?
E.g.
suggestions connecting two topics. I ve been working on this.
- Which is the difference in API:Search between:
list=search and generator=search ? The first seems to be faster to me.
- I need to fetch the pageIDs of the results, and have them already
redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt.
With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search Could you help in grasping query parameters?
#generator=search params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
#list=search params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords, 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', 'indexpageids' : 1 } ??
I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are hit, no matter of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=searc...
- I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in search=list
Has it a special meaning?
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Gotcha! Well, that test is over, I'm afraid :). I know we do have methods for sort of forcing a session into a test population (for browsing purposes) but I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of making that available for _non_testing purposes. It kind of defeats the point of an A/B test if the population is self-selected and features people aware of the context of the test.
On 26 January 2016 at 12:34, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
@ Oliver, about A/B test I refer to the email of 13 Jan 2016 by Deborah Tankersley [discovery] New A/B testing on Wikipedia Portal page however, yes I would like tobe included in A/B tests in general, not a particular one. I m mostrly interested in full text search, knowledge discovery and discovery of topics' context.
@Luca Nemo
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Generators https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Search
Not much clear to me yet, sorry.
I will rephrase my question: I would like to do a full-text search (FTS) query, have the pageids and decorators.
I also would like to have results hit (I see them in API:Search, list=search); I would like to access the page_Ids of articles (see them in generators).
I would like to understand if the backend between two is different, since I've read list=search use an ElasticSearch instance, and it seems to me it is faster and better FTS (not tried extensively, through). Also, list=search offers a snippet and may be less expensive for wiki server instead of quering an exerpt - is it the case?
I pass: params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
would like to do the same with list=search.
Could you please show an example of FTS with list=search ?
Not clear to me how coudl I pass a list to a generator, if it is the case.
Thank you.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Which A/B test are you referring to? We have tried quite a few :). Or do you just generally want to be included in the A/B tests?
On 26 January 2016 at 03:44, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I have few question for discovery portal and API:
possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the A/B test?
do you have or plan to have a feature for discovery *between* topics?
E.g.
suggestions connecting two topics. I ve been working on this.
- Which is the difference in API:Search between:
list=search and generator=search ? The first seems to be faster to me.
- I need to fetch the pageIDs of the results, and have them already
redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt.
With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search Could you help in grasping query parameters?
#generator=search params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' :
'pageimages|extracts',
'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' :
3,
'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
#list=search params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords, 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', 'indexpageids' : 1 } ??
I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are hit,
no
matter of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=searc...
- I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in search=list
Has it a special meaning?
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-- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation
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Hi Luigi,
The A/B tests that we run are to specifically get a sampling of our audience that uses the portal page http://www.wikipedia.org and then log what their actions are on that page, in relation to what we happen to be testing. We don't want folks going to the test on purpose and skewing the random sampling.
Hope that helps...!
Cheers,
Deb
-- Deb Tankersley Product Manager, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gotcha! Well, that test is over, I'm afraid :). I know we do have methods for sort of forcing a session into a test population (for browsing purposes) but I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of making that available for _non_testing purposes. It kind of defeats the point of an A/B test if the population is self-selected and features people aware of the context of the test.
On 26 January 2016 at 12:34, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
@ Oliver, about A/B test I refer to the email of 13 Jan 2016 by Deborah Tankersley [discovery] New A/B testing on Wikipedia Portal page however, yes I would like tobe included in A/B tests in general, not a particular one. I m mostrly interested in full text search, knowledge discovery and discovery of topics' context.
@Luca Nemo
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Generators https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Search
Not much clear to me yet, sorry.
I will rephrase my question: I would like to do a full-text search (FTS) query, have the pageids and decorators.
I also would like to have results hit (I see them in API:Search, list=search); I would like to access the page_Ids of articles (see them in generators).
I would like to understand if the backend between two is different, since I've read list=search use an ElasticSearch instance, and it seems to me it is faster and better FTS (not tried extensively, through). Also, list=search offers a snippet and may be less expensive for wiki server instead of quering an exerpt - is it the case?
I pass: params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
would like to do the same with list=search.
Could you please show an example of FTS with list=search ?
Not clear to me how coudl I pass a list to a generator, if it is the case.
Thank you.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Which A/B test are you referring to? We have tried quite a few :). Or do you just generally want to be included in the A/B tests?
On 26 January 2016 at 03:44, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I have few question for discovery portal and API:
possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the A/B test?
do you have or plan to have a feature for discovery *between*
topics? E.g.
suggestions connecting two topics. I ve been working on this.
- Which is the difference in API:Search between:
list=search and generator=search ? The first seems to be faster to me.
- I need to fetch the pageIDs of the results, and have them already
redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt.
With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search Could you help in grasping query parameters?
#generator=search params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' :
'pageimages|extracts',
'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' :
3,
'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
#list=search params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords, 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', 'indexpageids' : 1 } ??
I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are hit,
no
matter of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=searc...
- I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in search=list
Has it a special meaning?
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-- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation
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Hi Oliver, Deborah,
I see your point, thank you.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Deborah Tankersley < dtankersley@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi Luigi,
The A/B tests that we run are to specifically get a sampling of our audience that uses the portal page http://www.wikipedia.org and then log what their actions are on that page, in relation to what we happen to be testing. We don't want folks going to the test on purpose and skewing the random sampling.
Hope that helps...!
Cheers,
Deb
-- Deb Tankersley Product Manager, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gotcha! Well, that test is over, I'm afraid :). I know we do have methods for sort of forcing a session into a test population (for browsing purposes) but I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of making that available for _non_testing purposes. It kind of defeats the point of an A/B test if the population is self-selected and features people aware of the context of the test.
On 26 January 2016 at 12:34, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
@ Oliver, about A/B test I refer to the email of 13 Jan 2016 by Deborah Tankersley [discovery] New A/B testing on Wikipedia Portal page however, yes I would like tobe included in A/B tests in general, not a particular one. I m mostrly interested in full text search, knowledge discovery and discovery of topics' context.
@Luca Nemo
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Generators https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Search
Not much clear to me yet, sorry.
I will rephrase my question: I would like to do a full-text search (FTS) query, have the pageids and decorators.
I also would like to have results hit (I see them in API:Search, list=search); I would like to access the page_Ids of articles (see them in generators).
I would like to understand if the backend between two is different, since I've read list=search use an ElasticSearch instance, and it seems to me it is faster and better FTS (not tried extensively, through). Also, list=search offers a snippet and may be less expensive for wiki server instead of quering an exerpt - is it the case?
I pass: params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
would like to do the same with list=search.
Could you please show an example of FTS with list=search ?
Not clear to me how coudl I pass a list to a generator, if it is the case.
Thank you.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Which A/B test are you referring to? We have tried quite a few :). Or do you just generally want to be included in the A/B tests?
On 26 January 2016 at 03:44, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I have few question for discovery portal and API:
possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the A/B test?
do you have or plan to have a feature for discovery *between*
topics? E.g.
suggestions connecting two topics. I ve been working on this.
- Which is the difference in API:Search between:
list=search and generator=search ? The first seems to be faster to me.
- I need to fetch the pageIDs of the results, and have them already
redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt.
With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search Could you help in grasping query parameters?
#generator=search params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' :
'pageimages|extracts',
'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences'
: 3,
'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
#list=search params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords, 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', 'indexpageids' : 1 } ??
I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are
hit, no
matter of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=searc...
- I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in search=list
Has it a special meaning?
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At some point, we might want to try to figure out how to implement some kind of "public alpha testing" platform, where interested users could preview upcoming features, and provide feedback before they go to a wider audience. It would need to be lighter weight, and earlier in the process, than the existing "beta features" system.
I'm not sure what that would look like, and we would have to figure out a cost-effective way to do it, but it seems potentially valuable.
Kevin Smith Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Oliver, Deborah,
I see your point, thank you.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Deborah Tankersley < dtankersley@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi Luigi,
The A/B tests that we run are to specifically get a sampling of our audience that uses the portal page http://www.wikipedia.org and then log what their actions are on that page, in relation to what we happen to be testing. We don't want folks going to the test on purpose and skewing the random sampling.
Hope that helps...!
Cheers,
Deb
-- Deb Tankersley Product Manager, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gotcha! Well, that test is over, I'm afraid :). I know we do have methods for sort of forcing a session into a test population (for browsing purposes) but I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of making that available for _non_testing purposes. It kind of defeats the point of an A/B test if the population is self-selected and features people aware of the context of the test.
On 26 January 2016 at 12:34, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
@ Oliver, about A/B test I refer to the email of 13 Jan 2016 by Deborah Tankersley [discovery] New A/B testing on Wikipedia Portal page however, yes I would like tobe included in A/B tests in general, not a particular one. I m mostrly interested in full text search, knowledge discovery and discovery of topics' context.
@Luca Nemo
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Generators https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Search
Not much clear to me yet, sorry.
I will rephrase my question: I would like to do a full-text search (FTS) query, have the pageids and decorators.
I also would like to have results hit (I see them in API:Search, list=search); I would like to access the page_Ids of articles (see them in generators).
I would like to understand if the backend between two is different, since I've read list=search use an ElasticSearch instance, and it seems to me it is faster and better FTS (not tried extensively, through). Also, list=search offers a snippet and may be less expensive for wiki server instead of quering an exerpt - is it the case?
I pass: params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
would like to do the same with list=search.
Could you please show an example of FTS with list=search ?
Not clear to me how coudl I pass a list to a generator, if it is the case.
Thank you.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Which A/B test are you referring to? We have tried quite a few :). Or do you just generally want to be included in the A/B tests?
On 26 January 2016 at 03:44, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I have few question for discovery portal and API:
possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the A/B test?
do you have or plan to have a feature for discovery *between*
topics? E.g.
suggestions connecting two topics. I ve been working on this.
- Which is the difference in API:Search between:
list=search and generator=search ? The first seems to be faster to me.
- I need to fetch the pageIDs of the results, and have them already
redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt.
With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search Could you help in grasping query parameters?
#generator=search params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' :
'pageimages|extracts',
'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences'
: 3,
'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
#list=search params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords, 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', 'indexpageids' : 1 } ??
I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are
hit, no
matter of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=searc...
- I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in
search=list
Has it a special meaning?
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Well, that's what we've been talking about in the thread on setting up a beta instance on labs.
On 26 January 2016 at 17:54, Kevin Smith ksmith@wikimedia.org wrote:
At some point, we might want to try to figure out how to implement some kind of "public alpha testing" platform, where interested users could preview upcoming features, and provide feedback before they go to a wider audience. It would need to be lighter weight, and earlier in the process, than the existing "beta features" system.
I'm not sure what that would look like, and we would have to figure out a cost-effective way to do it, but it seems potentially valuable.
Kevin Smith Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Oliver, Deborah,
I see your point, thank you.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Deborah Tankersley < dtankersley@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi Luigi,
The A/B tests that we run are to specifically get a sampling of our audience that uses the portal page http://www.wikipedia.org and then log what their actions are on that page, in relation to what we happen to be testing. We don't want folks going to the test on purpose and skewing the random sampling.
Hope that helps...!
Cheers,
Deb
-- Deb Tankersley Product Manager, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gotcha! Well, that test is over, I'm afraid :). I know we do have methods for sort of forcing a session into a test population (for browsing purposes) but I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of making that available for _non_testing purposes. It kind of defeats the point of an A/B test if the population is self-selected and features people aware of the context of the test.
On 26 January 2016 at 12:34, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
@ Oliver, about A/B test I refer to the email of 13 Jan 2016 by Deborah Tankersley [discovery] New A/B testing on Wikipedia Portal page however, yes I would like tobe included in A/B tests in general, not a particular one. I m mostrly interested in full text search, knowledge discovery and discovery of topics' context.
@Luca Nemo
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Generators https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Search
Not much clear to me yet, sorry.
I will rephrase my question: I would like to do a full-text search (FTS) query, have the pageids and decorators.
I also would like to have results hit (I see them in API:Search, list=search); I would like to access the page_Ids of articles (see them in generators).
I would like to understand if the backend between two is different, since I've read list=search use an ElasticSearch instance, and it seems to me it is faster and better FTS (not tried extensively, through). Also, list=search offers a snippet and may be less expensive for wiki server instead of quering an exerpt - is it the case?
I pass: params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
would like to do the same with list=search.
Could you please show an example of FTS with list=search ?
Not clear to me how coudl I pass a list to a generator, if it is the case.
Thank you.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Which A/B test are you referring to? We have tried quite a few :). Or do you just generally want to be included in the A/B tests?
On 26 January 2016 at 03:44, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote: > Hello, > > I have few question for discovery portal and API: > > - possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the A/B test? > > - do you have or plan to have a feature for discovery *between* topics? E.g. > suggestions connecting two topics. > I ve been working on this. > > - Which is the difference in API:Search between: > list=search and generator=search ? > The first seems to be faster to me. > > - I need to fetch the pageIDs of the results, and have them already > redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt. > > With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search > Could you help in grasping query parameters? > > #generator=search > params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, > 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', > 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, > 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' } > > #list=search > params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords, > 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', 'indexpageids' : 1 } ?? > > I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are hit, no > matter of > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=searc... > > > - I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in search=list > Has it a special meaning? > > > > _______________________________________________ > discovery mailing list > discovery@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >
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Yup we'd like to use an instance somewhere that we can do some fun and interesting things to the Portal page that wouldn't affect all of our users - only those users that want to go to that page. We've got a few things to figure on for this approach...more to come on this subject!
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Well, that's what we've been talking about in the thread on setting up a beta instance on labs.
On 26 January 2016 at 17:54, Kevin Smith ksmith@wikimedia.org wrote:
At some point, we might want to try to figure out how to implement some kind of "public alpha testing" platform, where interested users could preview upcoming features, and provide feedback before they go to a wider audience. It would need to be lighter weight, and earlier in the process, than the existing "beta features" system.
I'm not sure what that would look like, and we would have to figure out a cost-effective way to do it, but it seems potentially valuable.
Kevin Smith Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Oliver, Deborah,
I see your point, thank you.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Deborah Tankersley < dtankersley@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi Luigi,
The A/B tests that we run are to specifically get a sampling of our audience that uses the portal page http://www.wikipedia.org and then log what their actions are on that page, in relation to what we happen to be testing. We don't want folks going to the test on purpose and skewing the random sampling.
Hope that helps...!
Cheers,
Deb
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gotcha! Well, that test is over, I'm afraid :). I know we do have methods for sort of forcing a session into a test population (for browsing purposes) but I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of making that available for _non_testing purposes. It kind of defeats the point of an A/B test if the population is self-selected and features people aware of the context of the test.
On 26 January 2016 at 12:34, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
@ Oliver, about A/B test I refer to the email of 13 Jan 2016 by Deborah Tankersley [discovery] New A/B testing on Wikipedia Portal page however, yes I would like tobe included in A/B tests in general, not a particular one. I m mostrly interested in full text search, knowledge discovery and discovery of topics' context.
@Luca Nemo
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Generators https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Search
Not much clear to me yet, sorry.
I will rephrase my question: I would like to do a full-text search (FTS) query, have the pageids and decorators.
I also would like to have results hit (I see them in API:Search, list=search); I would like to access the page_Ids of articles (see them in generators).
I would like to understand if the backend between two is different, since I've read list=search use an ElasticSearch instance, and it seems to me it is faster and better FTS (not tried extensively, through). Also, list=search offers a snippet and may be less expensive for wiki server instead of quering an exerpt - is it the case?
I pass: params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0, 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts', 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3, 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
would like to do the same with list=search.
Could you please show an example of FTS with list=search ?
Not clear to me how coudl I pass a list to a generator, if it is the case.
Thank you.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
> Which A/B test are you referring to? We have tried quite a few :). Or > do you just generally want to be included in the A/B tests? > > On 26 January 2016 at 03:44, Luigi Assom itsawesome.yes@gmail.com > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have few question for discovery portal and API: > > > > - possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the A/B test? > > > > - do you have or plan to have a feature for discovery *between* > topics? E.g. > > suggestions connecting two topics. > > I ve been working on this. > > > > - Which is the difference in API:Search between: > > list=search and generator=search ? > > The first seems to be faster to me. > > > > - I need to fetch the pageIDs of the results, and have them already > > redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt. > > > > With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search > > Could you help in grasping query parameters? > > > > #generator=search > > params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : > 0, > > 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : > 'pageimages|extracts', > > 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', > 'exsentences' : 3, > > 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' } > > > > #list=search > > params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords, > > 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', 'indexpageids' : 1 } ?? > > > > I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are > hit, no > > matter of > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=searc... > > > > > > - I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in > search=list > > Has it a special meaning? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > discovery mailing list > > discovery@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery > > > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > discovery mailing list > discovery@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery >
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