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Chris Koerner

14 Nov 2016 14 Nov '16

9:45 p.m.

Hello, You can now search for file properties such as file size and and file type on Commons. This includes file media type, MIME type, size, width, height, resolution, and bit depth. A few quick examples: * A search for 'shark' videos [0] * A search for 'flower' where the files are 16 bit [1] * A search for 'stars' where the files are PDFs [2] Please see the documentation for more information. [3] [0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&profile=… [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&profile=… [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&profile=… [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch#File_properties_search Yours, Chris Koerner Community Liaison - Discovery Wikimedia Foundation

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Justin Ormont

14 Nov 14 Nov

10:09 p.m.

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Cool feature. I love power user search operators. Without reading the instructions, I tried (and failed): - shark filetype:jpg - shark filetype:image - shark filetype:photo Perhaps users would benefit from us adding additional aliases. --justin On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Chris Koerner <ckoerner(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Hello, You can now search for file properties such as file size and and file type on Commons. This includes file media type, MIME type, size, width, height, resolution, and bit depth. A few quick examples: * A search for 'shark' videos [0] * A search for 'flower' where the files are 16 bit [1] * A search for 'stars' where the files are PDFs [2] Please see the documentation for more information. [3] [0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=shark+filetype%3Avideo [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=flower+filebits%3A16 [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=stars+filemime%3Apdf [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch#File_ properties_search Yours, Chris Koerner Community Liaison - Discovery Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ discovery mailing list discovery(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery

Stas Malyshev

16 Nov 16 Nov

7 p.m.

Hi!

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Cool feature. I love power user search operators. Without reading the instructions, I tried (and failed): * shark filetype:jpg * shark filetype:image * shark filetype:photo

Unfortunately, wiki file types (not to confuse with MIME types!) are kind of unobvious. The right incantation is: shark filetype:bitmap Though shark filetype:drawing works too :) Yes, there's no chance to know that without the docs[1] and it isn't something I'm happy about, but so far no idea of how to improve it has been found. If anybody has good ideas in this regard, please feel welcome to share. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch#filetype P.S. at least filetype:video and filetype:audio are intuitive :) -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev(a)wikimedia.org

Trey Jones

8:32 p.m.

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Is Justin's suggestion of aliases feasible, so that "filetype:image" is the same as "filetype:bitmap"? there's still the question of what to map to what, but that seems like it would help if it's easy enough to implement. And of course a histogram of filetype:<x> would tell you what people are trying to use. But maybe adding aliases to reserve words is too messy. —Trey Trey Jones Software Engineer, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Hi!

Cool feature. I love power user search operators. Without reading the instructions, I tried (and failed): * shark filetype:jpg * shark filetype:image * shark filetype:photo

Stas Malyshev

9:06 p.m.

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We could have a config that says "translate image, picture, photo, etc to bitmap" - shouldn't be too hard to do, just add config and translate when processing the item. I don't see much issue with that. Of course, the config should be sane otherwise it becomes a mess but we can make a good one I suppose. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev(a)wikimedia.org

Stas Malyshev

9:20 p.m.

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Trey Jones

9:28 p.m.

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Cool—thanks, Stas! Trey Jones Software Engineer, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Hi!

Created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150887 for it. Using logs to see what people are using with filetype: is a great idea too, we'd have to wait for a month or so to gather data I assume. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev(a)wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ discovery mailing list discovery(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery

Pine W

11:06 p.m.

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Hopefully when the GUI is updated to make this kind of search easier for users with lower skill levels, the syntax will become a non-issue. Pine On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Trey Jones <tjones(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Cool—thanks, Stas! Trey Jones Software Engineer, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Pine W

14 Nov 14 Nov

11:16 p.m.

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Excellent timing, considering that I'm currently writing the LearnWiki module script about Commons. (: Are there any plans to make the interface more graphical in the near future? Pine On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Chris Koerner <ckoerner(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Hello, You can now search for file properties such as file size and and file type on Commons. This includes file media type, MIME type, size, width, height, resolution, and bit depth. A few quick examples: * A search for 'shark' videos [0] * A search for 'flower' where the files are 16 bit [1] * A search for 'stars' where the files are PDFs [2] Please see the documentation for more information. [3] [0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=shark+filetype%3Avideo [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=flower+filebits%3A16 [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=stars+filemime%3Apdf [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch#File_ properties_search Yours, Chris Koerner Community Liaison - Discovery Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ discovery mailing list discovery(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery

Erik Bernhardson

11:21 p.m.

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On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Excellent timing, considering that I'm currently writing the LearnWiki module script about Commons. (: Are there any plans to make the interface more graphical in the near future?

Probably not the too-near future (few months). We are currently working on an overhaul of the search page but will initially be addressing the main search area, and the sidebar of (soon to be) sister-wiki results. Hopefully once that is done the work we put in will make other incremental updates, like custom gui elements, a little easier to find a way to include.

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Pine On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Chris Koerner <ckoerner(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Hello, You can now search for file properties such as file size and and file type on Commons. This includes file media type, MIME type, size, width, height, resolution, and bit depth. A few quick examples: * A search for 'shark' videos [0] * A search for 'flower' where the files are 16 bit [1] * A search for 'stars' where the files are PDFs [2] Please see the documentation for more information. [3] [0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=shark+filetype%3Avideo [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Sear ch&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=flower+filebits%3A16 [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=stars+filemime%3Apdf [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch#File_pr operties_search Yours, Chris Koerner Community Liaison - Discovery Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ discovery mailing list discovery(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery

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Pine W

11:47 p.m.

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Do you have a mockup of what the finished product would be? I would like to include this info in the LearnWiki scripts; I'm hoping that the finished modules will be available sometime in 2017, likely after these search improvements have been rolled out. Alternatively, if the situation is still in flux, maybe it would make sense for me to postpone writing about the Commons search page for a few months until these improvements are done. Will the changes to the interface be done by the end of Q3? Pine On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Erik Bernhardson < ebernhardson(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Excellent timing, considering that I'm currently writing the LearnWiki module script about Commons. (: Are there any plans to make the interface more graphical in the near future?

Pine On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Chris Koerner <ckoerner(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Hello, You can now search for file properties such as file size and and file type on Commons. This includes file media type, MIME type, size, width, height, resolution, and bit depth. A few quick examples: * A search for 'shark' videos [0] * A search for 'flower' where the files are 16 bit [1] * A search for 'stars' where the files are PDFs [2] Please see the documentation for more information. [3] [0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=shark+filetype%3Avideo [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Sear ch&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=flower+filebits%3A16 [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=stars+filemime%3Apdf [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch#File_pr operties_search Yours, Chris Koerner Community Liaison - Discovery Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ discovery mailing list discovery(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery

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Deborah Tankersley

15 Nov 15 Nov

midnight

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Hi Pine, If you're asking about the mocks for the cross-wiki search results, we have a page describing the upcoming A/B tests for the display of the new search results here <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cross-wiki_Search_Result_Improvements/Testing> and the main discussion page is here <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cross-wiki_Search_Result_Improvements>. We hope to start testing the new cross-wiki search results this quarter; but with the holidays and all, we might not begin testing until January 2017. Hope that helps! Cheers, Deb -- deb tankersley Product Manager, Discovery irc: debt Wikimedia Foundation On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Excellent timing, considering that I'm currently writing the LearnWiki module script about Commons. (: Are there any plans to make the interface more graphical in the near future?

Pine On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Chris Koerner <ckoerner(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Hello, You can now search for file properties such as file size and and file type on Commons. This includes file media type, MIME type, size, width, height, resolution, and bit depth. A few quick examples: * A search for 'shark' videos [0] * A search for 'flower' where the files are 16 bit [1] * A search for 'stars' where the files are PDFs [2] Please see the documentation for more information. [3] [0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=shark+filetype%3Avideo [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Sear ch&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=flower+filebits%3A16 [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=stars+filemime%3Apdf [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch#File_pr operties_search Yours, Chris Koerner Community Liaison - Discovery Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ discovery mailing list discovery(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery

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Pine W

12:22 a.m.

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Hi Deb, I was trying to ask about the Commons file properties search features, but it is good to know about cross-wiki results too. Maybe it would be good for me to take a look at both of these feature sets in January 2017. If the features are still in beta at that time, that is OK and might actually be more helpful to me than mockups in the here and now. Pine On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Deborah Tankersley < dtankersley(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Excellent timing, considering that I'm currently writing the LearnWiki module script about Commons. (: Are there any plans to make the interface more graphical in the near future?

Pine On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Chris Koerner <ckoerner(a)wikimedia.org > wrote: > Hello, > > You can now search for file properties such as file size and and file > type on Commons. This includes file media type, MIME type, size, width, > height, resolution, and bit depth. > > A few quick examples: > * A search for 'shark' videos [0] > * A search for 'flower' where the files are 16 bit [1] > * A search for 'stars' where the files are PDFs [2] > > Please see the documentation for more information. [3] > > > [0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: > Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=shark+filetype%3Avideo > [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Sear > ch&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=flower+filebits%3A16 > [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: > Search&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=stars+filemime%3Apdf > [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch#File_pr > operties_search > > Yours, > Chris Koerner > Community Liaison - Discovery > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > discovery mailing list > discovery(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery > > _______________________________________________ discovery mailing list discovery(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/discovery

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