For the purpose of this exercise I think that it is completely
reasonable for staff/developers to play with the factors and make sure
that we are not having offence caused through this development. We
want the focus to be on the tool, and what it can do; not start a
bunfight and detract from the goal.

For full production, I do NOT think that it is reasonable that either
staff or developers make the determination of what is or what is not
offensive, and whether a term should or should not be displayed. That
determination sits clearly with the community, and is part of a
discussion when the tool approaches full production and given to the
community. It is part of what the community can or will need to do.

All that said, page views as a raw number should not be the
determinator of a suggestion. I will add fuller comment to the
phabricator ticket.

Regards, Billinghurst

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Dan Garry <dgarry@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Hey David,
>
> Thanks for starting this discussion!
>
> On 22 January 2016 at 13:53, David Causse <dcausse@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>> http://en-suggesty.wmflabs.org/suggest.html is updated with a score that
>> integrates pageviews.
>>
>> Pageviews solve most of the problems we encountered in the previous
>> formula unfortunately we now see some porn related suggestions.
>> - x will suggest xxx
>> - po will suggest pornhub just below poland in 2nd position. And is ranked
>> #6 for the query 'p'
>
>
> As of right now, neither of these queries do this any more. "x" now suggests
> "Xinjiang" as the top result, and "po" now suggests "Pope Francis" after
> "Poland"... which may or may not be more palatable than Pornhub, depending
> on your viewpoints and ideals! Generally, Wikipedians like to point out that
> Wikipedia is not censored. That said, it's still worth considering whether
> this is appropriate or not. I personally don't have much of a problem with
> the fact that certain search results might be a little offensive... but I do
> think that they're probably also not really that useful.
>
> Given how volatile this has made our search results, my sense is that we're
> giving too much weight to how much we're letting page view data affect the
> ranking. Is it as simple as tweaking a coefficient so that page views are
> still taken into consideration but with lower weight, or do we need to do
> something more involved? I created T124722 to track this work, and added it
> our list of blockers for a wider rollout of the suggester.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Garry
> Lead Product Manager, Discovery
> Wikimedia Foundation
>

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