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Re: [Design] Grey text in emails

Isarra Yos

1 Oct 2015 1 Oct '15

12:16 a.m.

Hey, all. I've noticed a common trend is to use grey text for your emails. I know it's nice to make things prettier, but some of us don't have terribly good eyes, or screens, or both. Could you please use a little more contrast? Thanks! -I

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Trevor Parscal

1 Oct 1 Oct

12:18 a.m.

Are you sure this isn't just because of formatting mistakes? Often inline replies inherit styling from nearby, and often that styling is to gray the text. - Trevor On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hey, all. I've noticed a common trend is to use grey text for your emails. I know it's nice to make things prettier, but some of us don't have terribly good eyes, or screens, or both. Could you please use a little more contrast? Thanks! -I _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design

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Isarra Yos

12:21 a.m.

Entirely possible. Something else to be careful about, I suppose. On 30/09/15 22:18, Trevor Parscal wrote:

Are you sure this isn't just because of formatting mistakes? Often inline replies inherit styling from nearby, and often that styling is to gray the text. - Trevor On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com <mailto:zhorishna@gmail.com>> wrote: Hey, all. I've noticed a common trend is to use grey text for your emails. I know it's nice to make things prettier, but some of us don't have terribly good eyes, or screens, or both. Could you please use a little more contrast? Thanks! -I _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Design@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design

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May Tee-Galloway

12:39 a.m.

I've set my emails to be "Plain text mode," but I notice it still goes back to non-plain text mode. On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Entirely possible. Something else to be careful about, I suppose. On 30/09/15 22:18, Trevor Parscal wrote: Are you sure this isn't just because of formatting mistakes? Often inline replies inherit styling from nearby, and often that styling is to gray the text. - Trevor On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hey, all. I've noticed a common trend is to use grey text for your emails. I know it's nice to make things prettier, but some of us don't have terribly good eyes, or screens, or both. Could you please use a little more contrast? Thanks! -I _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design

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Isarra Yos

12:46 a.m.

Very strange. O_o Still, thank you for trying. I do appreciate that, even if I have no idea how to actually make it work. (Unless maybe there's a global setting overriding it? Except normally the whole point of a local setting is to override global...) On 30/09/15 22:39, May Tee-Galloway wrote:

I've set my emails to be "Plain text mode," but I notice it still goes back to non-plain text mode. On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Entirely possible. Something else to be careful about, I suppose. On 30/09/15 22:18, Trevor Parscal wrote: Are you sure this isn't just because of formatting mistakes? Often inline replies inherit styling from nearby, and often that styling is to gray the text. - Trevor On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hey, all. I've noticed a common trend is to use grey text for your emails. I know it's nice to make things prettier, but some of us don't have terribly good eyes, or screens, or both. Could you please use a little more contrast? Thanks! -I _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design

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Legoktm

12:56 a.m.

Hi, On 09/30/2015 03:39 PM, May Tee-Galloway wrote:

I've set my emails to be "Plain text mode," but I notice it still goes back to non-plain text mode.

Yes, it would be really nice if a listadmin could set this list to plain text mode :) -- Legoktm

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Nick Wilson (Quiddity)

1:16 a.m.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Legoktm <legoktm.wikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, On 09/30/2015 03:39 PM, May Tee-Galloway wrote:

I've set my emails to be "Plain text mode," but I notice it still goes back to non-plain text mode.

Yes, it would be really nice if a listadmin could set this list to plain text mode :)

Done. Hopefully successfully. (I flipped the top and bottom options in this screenshot, to "yes" - http://i.imgur.com/4ocDFMH.png ) Could a non-listadmin please send a (very) small image attachment, as a reply to this, to test that that still works? Thanks.

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MZMcBride

2:09 a.m.

Nick Wilson (Quiddity) wrote:

Done. Hopefully successfully. (I flipped the top and bottom options in this screenshot, to "yes" - http://i.imgur.com/4ocDFMH.png ) Could a non-listadmin please send a (very) small image attachment, as a reply to this, to test that that still works? Thanks.

Thanks for this! It would've taken me a while to find <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/design/contentfilter>. If possible, you should install the HTTPS Everywhere extension in addition to Ghostery. You'll get links like <https://i.imgur.com/4ocDFMH.png>. ;-) MZMcBride

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Purodha Blissenbach

2:32 a.m.

On 01.10.2015 00:56, Legoktm wrote:

Yes, it would be really nice if a listadmin could set this list to plain text mode :)

Or let users do that. Purodha

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Federico Leva (Nemo)

7:59 a.m.

Purodha Blissenbach, 01/10/2015 02:32:

Yes, it would be really nice if a listadmin could set this list to plain text mode :)

Or let users do that.

Good point. The HTML messages I saw here were actually multipart/alternative and in Thunderbird I have the option to read messages in plain text or "simple HTML": both successfully stripped the font colours. Nemo

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Brandon Harris

8:01 a.m.

Each user can also set their own delivery preferences for the mail on the list to be HTML or plain text only by logging into the mailman system and setting it. And thus independence, flexibility, and personalization is preserved by DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

On Sep 30, 2015, at 10:59 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: Purodha Blissenbach, 01/10/2015 02:32:

Yes, it would be really nice if a listadmin could set this list to plain text mode :)

Or let users do that.

Good point. The HTML messages I saw here were actually multipart/alternative and in Thunderbird I have the option to read messages in plain text or "simple HTML": both successfully stripped the font colours. Nemo _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design

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May Tee-Galloway

8:09 a.m.

Brandon you should come to the rescue more often. :) On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Brandon Harris <bharris(a)gaijin.com> wrote:

Each user can also set their own delivery preferences for the mail on the list to be HTML or plain text only by logging into the mailman system and setting it. And thus independence, flexibility, and personalization is preserved by DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

On Sep 30, 2015, at 10:59 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: Purodha Blissenbach, 01/10/2015 02:32:

Yes, it would be really nice if a listadmin could set this list to plain text mode :)

Or let users do that.

Good point. The HTML messages I saw here were actually multipart/alternative and in Thunderbird I have the option to read messages in plain text or "simple HTML": both successfully stripped the font colours. Nemo _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design

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Brian Wolff

8:12 p.m.

On 10/1/15, Brandon Harris <bharris(a)gaijin.com> wrote:

Each user can also set their own delivery preferences for the mail on the list to be HTML or plain text only by logging into the mailman system and setting it. And thus independence, flexibility, and personalization is preserved by DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

huh? Mailman does not have an option for that afaik. The "Get MIME or Plain Text Digests?" is only about digest mails, which this thread is not about. Of course, people using sane MUA's can tell them to display plain text... but not all of us use sane MUA's (I like webmail personally). On the other hand, that's kind of like saying people who don't like the <blink> tag should just browse the web with lynx. -- -bawolff

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Brandon Harris
Brian Wolff
Federico Leva (Nemo)
Isarra Yos
Legoktm
May Tee-Galloway
MZMcBride
Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
Purodha Blissenbach
Trevor Parscal