with MediaWiki.
In the mean time we could have a ResourceLoader module for Vector that is
generated (like the way we generate CSS modules for user preferences) and
bundled with the existing vector CSS.
Since we want to evolve Vector, the visual elements that differ between
deployment and default may change over time, but for now I would suggest
that the blue lines are fairly distinctive and could perhaps be adjusted
pretty easily for the main skin.
Perhaps we should come up with a general purpose theme parameters
configuration or class or something to control the values.
- Trevor
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Jon Robson <jrobson(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
So.. what do we need to do, to do this?
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Trevor Parscal <tparscal(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
I very much support Ori's proposal. We
discussed it at length during the
product retreat and I think we can easily avoid the pitfall Jarred is
being
cautious about by simply making a few
configurable parameters for the
skin
default to one value, but be deployed on our
sites using another.
This also gives us the ability to adjust the branding of the theme
between
sites. Again - this would be subtle, but we know
that people get
confused as
to which site they are on when navigating between
WP and Commons for
instance.
Finally, these "configurations" could possibly later be adjusted by
admins
using a special page. Wordpress themes often
allow key theme colors to be
adjusted this way, and people actually do customize their themes quite
often, further increasing the effective diversity of MediaWiki skins
throughout the internet, helping to prevent our brand from being watered
down as it to some degree today.
- Trevor
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Ori Livneh <ori(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jared Zimmerman
> <jzimmerman(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm a little torn on this. If skins evolve within Wikipedia (and
>> foundation projects) but not on mediawiki core I won't feel like we're
>> putting out a good product.
>
>
> I know what you mean, but what I'm calling for is really minimal:
identify
> a UI feature which that could be usable and
attractive in two variants
(like
> two different shades of grey for the
background of the Vector sidebar),
and
> choose one for the default for core, and the
other for Wikipedia. You
can
> include the Wikipedia-specific style in core;
just gate it with a
> configuration variable. Most third-party MediaWiki instances aren't
styled
> the way they're styled because their
administrators wanted to mimic
> Wikipedia, but rather because they find the defaults sensible and
useable
> and didn't want to fuss with things. We
should continue to provide
defaults
that are
sensible and usable, but we should pick one -- just one! -- and
make it sensible, usable, and slightly different.
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