I think the UX is pretty good here already (thanks to anyone on the list who contributed), but additional feedback is appreciated.
In the long run it would be good to generalize the "Add from Flickr" into a generalized "Add from [source 1|source 2|...]" UI, but I think it's fine for now.
Erik
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:10 PM Subject: Testing Upload Wizard Flickr import feature To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
Kaldari has been polishing the work done during Google Summer of Code by Ankur Anand to support importing correctly licensed Flickr photo(-sets) using Upload Wizard. You specify a photoset URL, and Upload Wizard should treat it like a batch upload. You can test the feature here:
http://mwreview.wmflabs.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (you'll need to make a new test user account)
Just click the "Import from Flickr" button on the first page to get started.
Since UW performs a license check, UW will also add a "VerifiedByUploadWizard" template which should help with the long term validation of licenses for Flickr imported content.
Known issues: * Getting a better 'source' value for each image - ideally we want the regular Flickr URL, not the farm server URL * Getting the description for each image, this may require separate calls to the Flickr API. * Making the 'author' value a link to the Flickr account * Supporting the feature to copy metadata across a whole batch, which is shown for regular batch uploads
Now's a good time to start playing with it. You can leave feedback here: http://mwreview.wmflabs.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Flickr_testing - or file in Bugzilla against the UploadWizard extension.
Thanks! Erik
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Here are my thoughts - one of them is on the upload wizard, others are specific to the Flickr upload: In general for uploads, showing a complex infographic to users prior to an upload is a surefire way to lose people (I hadn't seen this yet because I've been using Commonist for a while). I think we should offer education throughout the wizard contextually and minimally, perhaps as small comic strips in the margins of the actual upload page. Upon click the "Add from Flickr" button everything on the upload page disappears and there's no way to undo that step without reloading the page. Maybe a user was just exploring the new feature and wants to go back to the regular upload screen after they looked at it? It may be better to consolidate everything on one upload page rather than having disappearing input elements. OCD Nitpick: After uploading an image, it has a hover state but the cursor doesn't reflect that which feels weird (just add .mwe-upwiz-visible-file-filename { cursor: pointer; }) After uploading and seeing your list of images, the "Remove" action is small (which is good) however it is inside of the hover area for clicking on the image for a preview. This can be confusing; I'd redesign the display of uploaded images to have the "Remove" button beside each hover area, not inside of it. Clicking "Add another file" after you've uploaded a Flickr file opens a file picker dialog; it should be clear from the button copy that you're adding from your computer, not Flickr again. Also, the "Add another image from Flickr" function should probably be available in that page.
That's about it for now!
-- Munaf Assaf
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
I think the UX is pretty good here already (thanks to anyone on the list who contributed), but additional feedback is appreciated.
In the long run it would be good to generalize the "Add from Flickr" into a generalized "Add from [source 1|source 2|...]" UI, but I think it's fine for now.
Erik
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org (mailto:erik@wikimedia.org)> Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:10 PM Subject: Testing Upload Wizard Flickr import feature To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List <commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org (mailto:commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org)>
Hi,
Kaldari has been polishing the work done during Google Summer of Code by Ankur Anand to support importing correctly licensed Flickr photo(-sets) using Upload Wizard. You specify a photoset URL, and Upload Wizard should treat it like a batch upload. You can test the feature here:
http://mwreview.wmflabs.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (you'll need to make a new test user account)
Just click the "Import from Flickr" button on the first page to get started.
Since UW performs a license check, UW will also add a "VerifiedByUploadWizard" template which should help with the long term validation of licenses for Flickr imported content.
Known issues:
- Getting a better 'source' value for each image - ideally we want the
regular Flickr URL, not the farm server URL
- Getting the description for each image, this may require separate
calls to the Flickr API.
- Making the 'author' value a link to the Flickr account
- Supporting the feature to copy metadata across a whole batch, which
is shown for regular batch uploads
Now's a good time to start playing with it. You can leave feedback here: http://mwreview.wmflabs.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Flickr_testing - or file in Bugzilla against the UploadWizard extension.
Thanks! Erik
-- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation
Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Munaf Assaf massaf@wikimedia.org wrote:
In general for uploads, showing a complex infographic to users prior to an upload is a surefire way to lose people (I hadn't seen this yet because I've been using Commonist for a while). I think we should offer education throughout the wizard contextually and minimally, perhaps as small comic strips in the margins of the actual upload page.
I agree that the current approach could use an overhaul sometime soon. It's a hard problem: Commons has very strict rules to ensure all materials are freely reusable (including commercial use), and this is hard to communicate in a context where most other sites only treat copyright primarily as something that's managed after the upload (via DMCA takedown notices etc.).
I do think we need to get the basics established upfront to ensure that users don't feel frustrated because they're told that their files aren't permitted _after_ they've waited for them to be uploaded. But user testing has shown that users only read the last two panels in the strip. Ideally the two takeaways we want them to have at the beginning are: 1) If you upload your own stuff, you agree that anyone can freely use it for any purpose. Other intricacies e.g. of what is and isn't "your own work", what public domain terms are, etc. are indeed probably better explained contextually. 2) You can't upload people's stuff unless it's explicitly available under the same terms.
This could enable us to eliminate the "Learn" step altogether and integrate it with the upload page, although having an explicit clickthrough might be a good idea for the same reasons that this pattern is used in various sites where users are required to buy into basic terms of use before proceeding.
See also Brandon's earlier UW design recommendations: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/UploadWizard/Design_recommendations
Since we're unlikely to get to it soon, I've filed a bug here so we don't forget it: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39802
Thanks much for the Flickr recommendations, we'll consolidate and prioritize those along with other user feedback soon.