Erik & Steven,

you've brought up many of the issues that I was going to, so less for me to type, thanks!

Don't focus too much on the personal bar as that will be part of a different but related Beta Feature (in-progress, being built by Juliusz) I too feel that a way of getting Talk/History/Actions into the fixed header could be a big win for the dynamic function driven header we want to eventually get to.

A quick mockup of one of MANY possible options for having these controls in the "reading" site header.

For the beta feature we'll isolate as much as possible the fixed header experiment (e.g. not compact header, not new section editing) but since many site actions are in the current header, they'll most likely need to come along for the ride in this beta feature.

Steven to your point, not only would I love to test this, I'd also like to instrument event logging on this for its release as a beta feature so we can compare the usage of search and other article actions compared to their current placement.

Great work, can't wait to get this up in Beta Features.

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Brandon Harris <bharris@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> This gets weird. With a fixed, single edit link, the question becomes:
> am I editing the whole page, or just the section I’m with?

Yeah, I agree - for a prototype that could be built into a Beta
Feature in the near future, this could potentially be confusing.

In the longer term (2015ish) my hope is that we can achieve
near-instantaneous switching between view and edit mode by delivering
VE-ready HTML5 by default. With near-instantaneous switching, it may
not be as important to have the context of a specific section, and
more important to try to position the cursor where the user is most
likely to want it when switching into edit mode.

But we can play with that idea at a future time, for sure.

Erik
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