On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Quiddity <pandiculation@gmail.com> wrote:

First, the happy feedback:
The Thumbnail styles are currently being discussed at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT#New_image_thumb_design
Onwiki feedback, and further ideas, encouraged!


On 14-03-28 05:02 PM, Steven Walling wrote:

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Jon Robson wrote:

    3) Submit each of these as patches to Gerrit (unless there are any
    complaints)


This is my suggestion.

Some of these are pretty uncontroversial, like the TOC and the external
links change (which is a performance improvement and not a single beat
tester said anything negative about). Others of these require more
thought, like the thumbnail style and the blockquote styles. The easy
ones should just be iterated on a bit, and each submitted as patches
separately to discuss and potentially merge.

The ToC changes were not uncontroversial.

* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh/Archive_2#TOC_broken
* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh/Archive_2#I_don.27t_like_the_minimalist_styling

The lack of bullet points becomes a problem when linewrap occurs, eg.
http://i.imgur.com/uBpLLuZ.png vs http://i.imgur.com/RI9ZSBL.png

The lack of numbers will cause issues for the 31,636[1] users who have the "Auto-number headings" userpreference enabled at Enwiki (plus more elsewhere).

I still suggest using this code, which results in this look:
http://i.imgur.com/k3ipFKz.png
* Tweak Table of Contents boxes, to have smaller grey numbers and dot-suffixes */
.tocnumber:after, .mw-headline-number:after { content: "." }
.tocnumber, .mw-headline-number { font-size: 80% !important; color:#333 !important;}

While maybe not perfect, something like that seems ok to me, makes the TOC less radical of a change and think the community would be more agreeable to the change.

Perhaps further iterations and design tweaks can happen at a later stage.

Cheers,

Katie

 

Or, at minimum, move the ToC-numbering into the code for the "Auto-number headings" preference (a logical home), and just use bulletpoints for the default, as lists generally do. Style them however wanted, but we need /something/.

[1] https://trello.com/c/tIsqX5LB/123-numberheadings-research-for-nick

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The external link icon changes are not uncontroversial.

nb. This is related to: http://i.imgur.com/VU0Ezcn.png (current vs Typography refresh/VectorBeta)

This was last discussed here http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/2013-October/001039.html (my post, mid-way in thread) and the only thing there seemed to be consensus on was: replacing the yellow https icon with either the blue-colored one or the plain external link one.

I think the Principle of Least Astonishment applies to many of those ext-link icons, such as the media links which might trigger the auto-playing of a loud audio sample. Definitely some of them are ripe for removal (such as "news:" links), but not all, and it's worth discussing them properly before deciding.

Where is the current CSS code for this stored? (both gitblit and/or onwiki)

and how cross-wiki is the complexity?
(ie. are there local CSS files at dozens of wikis which might have different icons? All I can find easily is the linked Italian one
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Icone_dei_link_esterni

Would "Merging" icons/rules also be a possibility and helpful for reducing CSS payload size? e.g. 1 "media" icon, instead of 2 for "audio" and "video"

Sidenote mostly for interest/comparison: Monobook (& Modern) uses a different set of icons:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:External_link_icons&useskin=monobook

*TL;DR*: I'm 110% in favour of replacing the yellow padlock with the blue padlock.  The rest should probably be split out, and given a brief discussion onwiki, listing pros & cons.
I'd personally strongly support some changes, and weakly oppose other changes.


--Quiddity

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