It's true, those are different fonts, one being a revised version of the other. But at screen text sizes and similar weights they are quite close, and when aiming to take advantage of consistency across platforms without the use of web fonts I think it's reasonable that they are grouped.

Don't be a type snob. ;)

- Trevor

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Daniel Friesen <> wrote:
The inclusion of "Helvetica Neue" in the Helvetica and Arial sets makes me doubt the trustworthiness of that resource.
~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) []
On 12-09-19 8:45 AM, Trevor Parscal wrote:
Another interesting resource for this conversation:

Clicking the info (i inside a circle) shows the % of users on the web (no clue how this is calculated) that have this on their system.

- Trevor

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Brandon Harris <> wrote:

On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Alolita Sharma <> wrote:

> I would like the i18n non-Latin team members to also join this
> discussion to provide context along with Siebrand and Pau.

        I actually would prefer to keep the number of participants in this conversation small so that we can retain focus. I'm fairly certain that Siebrand has enough vim and vigor about the subject for everyone.

Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation

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