Thanks for showing those sketches, in all of the options my worry is that it provides the switch from VE to wikitext editor at such a prominent level that it appears they are of equal importance, and of higher importance than the other VE tools

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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Quim Gil <> wrote:
(Sorry for going somewhat visceral with this topic but I really like you and I have seen too often these type of discussions appearing as deadlines get close and generating delays, stress and distraction for no significant benefit at the end)

On 06/21/2013 10:58 AM, Trevor Parscal wrote:
If we do have a choice presented to users, it should only be more
advanced users, as a concession since they are likely going to need to
continue using Wikitext for some time while VE matures and supports more

Could those advanced users cook a gadget and be done with this problem? A piece of code that does the trick and VisualEditor and MediaWiki teams don't need to bother about.

Quim Gil
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