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>    1. Re: Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be the
>       default (Tomasz Finc)
>    2. Re: Style guides at Lonely Planet (Tomasz Finc)
>    3. Re: Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be the
>       default (Erik Moeller)
>    4. Re: Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be the
>       default (Steven Walling)
>    5. Re: Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be the
>       default (Jared Zimmerman)
>    6. Re: Style guides at Lonely Planet (Jared Zimmerman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:55:23 -0700
> From: Tomasz Finc <tfinc@wikimedia.org>
> To: "A list for the design team." <design@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc: Rachel diCerbo <rdicerbo@wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Design] Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be
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> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Jon Robson <jrobson@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> 1) Enable MediaWiki UI everywhere
>>
>> Developers: Add $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere=true into your LocalSettings
>> Non-developers: Explore http://mwui.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page or
>> http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ (the mobile site already
>> enables these to be the default)
>>
>> 2) Navigate around the site and make a note of interfaces that look wrong.
>> Please file bugs against them here [1]
>> * Places where buttons are constructive when they should be
>> destructive / progress
>> * Take screenshots of interfaces that look cluttered/cramped.
>> * Identify pages which do not use MediaWiki UI styles at all
>>
>> 3) Let's fix the bugs
>>
>> 4) When this is all done, we will need to engage the
>> community/communicate this change. We might need to run a beta
>> feature. I'm hoping Jared or Steven can oversee this. Alternatively we
>> might just want to turn it on if we do not consider it a massive
>> change.
>
> Is there a good forum for us to engage and recommend how community
> members can get involved with at Step #1 ? That feels like it would
> give us the sense of scale and community participation from the
> beginning.
>
> CC'ing Rachel to see what she thinks
>
> --tomasz
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> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:02:43 -0700
> From: Tomasz Finc <tfinc@wikimedia.org>
> To: "A list for the design team." <design@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Design] Style guides at Lonely Planet
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> Very interesting read and I've been watching a good chunk of the videos from
>
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFdA1LIvjYDLrqeHiZphNWA
>
> Jared, where is our style guide at this point? I last checked in on it
> around Wikimania.
>
> Also, have you had a chance to watch
>
> Ian Feather: Reducing Complexity With a Component API ?
>
> --tomasz
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Jon Robson <jrobson@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> Relevant to our interests...
>> http://engineering.lonelyplanet.com/2014/05/18/a-maintainable-styleguide.html
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> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:08:22 -0700
> From: Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org>
> To: "A list for the design team." <design@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Design] Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be
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> Thanks, Jon, for continuing to keep the pressure on.
>
> The appearance/size change for e.g. checkboxes is very noticeable, and
> right now it's inconsistent with other controls that are nearby, like
> radiobuttons and dropdowns. The first thing is to actually finish the style
> guide and consistently apply it.
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/styleguide/desktop/index.html is very incomplete
> right now, when can we expect an updated version, or is there another one I
> should be looking at?
>
> Thanks,
> Erik
>
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> Erik Möller
> VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation
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> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:50:52 -0700
> From: Steven Walling <swalling@wikimedia.org>
> To: "A list for the design team." <design@lists.wikimedia.org>
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> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
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>> The appearance/size change for e.g. checkboxes is very noticeable, and
>> right now it's inconsistent with other controls that are nearby, like
>> radiobuttons and dropdowns. The first thing is to actually finish the style
>> guide and consistently apply it.
>> http://tools.wmflabs.org/styleguide/desktop/index.html is very incomplete
>> right now, when can we expect an updated version, or is there another one I
>> should be looking at?
>>
>
> This is a situation that's partially a consequence of how we've decided to
> generate the living style guide. It only reflects what is in the codebase
> now really, so it doesn't (and really can't) contain style guidelines for
> future iterations on other controls.
>
> The best place to see proposed designs is the Trello board for mediawiki.ui
> (https://trello.com/b/EXtVTJxJ). When things are finalized enough on the UX
> side to more seriously request Jared is pushing them to Bugzilla.
>
>
> --
> Steven Walling,
> Product Manager
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:53:28 -0700
> From: Jared Zimmerman <jared.zimmerman@wikimedia.org>
> To: "A list for the design team." <design@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Design] Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be
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> Thanks Steven thats correct. The greatest strength and weakness of the LSG
> is the same things, we'll know when you can use something in production and
> when it breaks, but we can't show it "live" until its in core.
>
>
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> *Jared Zimmerman * \\  Director of User Experience \\ Wikimedia Foundation
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> M +1 415 609 4043 \\  @jaredzimmerman <http://loo.ms/g0>
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> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Steven Walling <swalling@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The appearance/size change for e.g. checkboxes is very noticeable, and
>>> right now it's inconsistent with other controls that are nearby, like
>>> radiobuttons and dropdowns. The first thing is to actually finish the style
>>> guide and consistently apply it.
>>> http://tools.wmflabs.org/styleguide/desktop/index.html is very
>>> incomplete right now, when can we expect an updated version, or is there
>>> another one I should be looking at?
>>>
>>
>> This is a situation that's partially a consequence of how we've decided to
>> generate the living style guide. It only reflects what is in the codebase
>> now really, so it doesn't (and really can't) contain style guidelines for
>> future iterations on other controls.
>>
>> The best place to see proposed designs is the Trello board for
>> mediawiki.ui (https://trello.com/b/EXtVTJxJ). When things are finalized
>> enough on the UX side to more seriously request Jared is pushing them to
>> Bugzilla.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steven Walling,
>> Product Manager
>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:56:04 -0700
> From: Jared Zimmerman <jared.zimmerman@wikimedia.org>
> To: Tomasz Finc <tfinc@wikimedia.org>
> Cc: "A list for the design team." <design@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Design] Style guides at Lonely Planet
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> Style guide is coming along, with the caveat from the other concurrent
> thread that things can't get added to the style guide until they are in
> core, which is still a blocker for many things currently
>
>
> current state can be seen here
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/styleguide/desktop/index.html
>
>
>
> *Jared Zimmerman * \\  Director of User Experience \\ Wikimedia Foundation
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> M +1 415 609 4043 \\  @jaredzimmerman <http://loo.ms/g0>
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> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Tomasz Finc <tfinc@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Very interesting read and I've been watching a good chunk of the videos
>> from
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFdA1LIvjYDLrqeHiZphNWA
>>
>> Jared, where is our style guide at this point? I last checked in on it
>> around Wikimania.
>>
>> Also, have you had a chance to watch
>>
>> Ian Feather: Reducing Complexity With a Component API ?
>>
>> --tomasz
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Jon Robson <jrobson@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> > Relevant to our interests...
>> >
>> http://engineering.lonelyplanet.com/2014/05/18/a-maintainable-styleguide.html
>> >
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