On Aug 5, 2013 9:46 AM, "Trevor Parscal" <tparscal@wikimedia.org> wrote:
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> While I support the new direction, I was surprised to receive some in-person feedback from friends and family telling me that the animated links actually brought to their attention for the first time that they could actually edit.
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> Which led me to believe 2 things:
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> 1. I think they don't listen when I talk.
> 2. The animated links provided value in the increased visibility, that even without animation we should seek to retain.
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> - Trevor

Well said.

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> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
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>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Trevor Parscal <tparscal@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> >> The hover effect is easy to drop - if we are all willing to take the hit on
>> >> the clutter.
>> >
>> > That's probably the best short term option.
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>> This is now done on enwiki, with the addition of a "beta" label. We'll
>> now see increased complaints and concerns about clutter, of course. :P
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>> We do need to kick into gear thinking on the mid to long term options.
>> A couple of constraints I would formulate:
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>> * primacy of one mode or another should be determined by the user as
>> much as possible  (i.e. wikitext users should have a happy experience
>> that doesn't nudge them too much to use VE; VE users should have a
>> happy experience that doesn't nudge them too much to use wikitext);
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>> * let's avoid animations or hover effects that don't work with touch.
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>> My take is that beautiful icons would work well in the mid term, while
>> refactoring the edit UI altogether to make the mode of operation a
>> secondary choice on the edit screen itself (a mode-switch on the edit
>> screen) might be viable in the long run, but would be especially
>> difficult for section editing. But I think we need to explore some
>> bold ideas here both for the mid and long term.
>>
>> Erik
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>> --
>> Erik Möller
>> VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation
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