Early on in the design of this feature I suggested we use a drop down menu, and Matma Rex implemented a rough version of it. The UI sucked (my fault) and I moved away from it.<div><br></div><div>Here was my analysis:</div>

<div><br></div><div><b>2 links side by side with reveal on hover</b> (what we have now)</div><div><ul><li>Pros</li><ul><li>No change in the way the page looks</li><li>Uses lightweight controls</li></ul><li>Cons</li><ul><li>

Hidden option</li><li>Animation is annoying</li><li>Not tablet friendly</li></ul></ul></div><div><b>1 link with drop-down menu for 2nd link</b> (my first idea, and is now being suggested again)</div><div><ul><li>Pros</li>

<ul><li>More &quot;vector&quot; like, for whatever that is worth</li><li>Tablet friendly</li></ul><li>Cons</li><ul><li>Changes the way the page looks</li><li>Hidden option</li><li>Adds heavy controls</li><li>Clicking multiple times is annoying</li>

</ul></ul><div>You can see that they both suck. I actually started a thread on this very list hoping to get ideas well before I coded this up. Instead of ideas, I got lots of people fighting about things that were off topic. Now that it&#39;s implemented and has been deployed for a month, if this is important enough for people to get serious about coming up with alternatives, than I&#39;m still very interested in exploring them.</div>

<div><br></div><div>- Trevor</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Steven Walling <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:swalling@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">swalling@wikimedia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="im"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matma.rex@gmail.com" target="_blank">matma.rex@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">How many times have you clicked on either of these links recently? I don&#39;t mean to berate you personally, but you made four edits on your volunteer account on en.wp last week, and I really think that opinion of active editors bears more weight here, even if they are not professional designers :)</blockquote>



</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div>Since you asked, I&#39;ll break it down for you: with my personal account I&#39;ve made 259 edits this month on enwiki. With my work and personal accounts, my edit count across wikis with VE is 472. So I&#39;ve used the interface quite a bit. </div>



<div><br></div><div>I may not be a grumpy Monobook devotee, who uses script-assisted editing to make thousands of edits a week, but I&#39;ve used it enough to know what I&#39;m talking about. I think the same applies to everyone who has participated in the discussion so far, including all the designers. You should generally stay away from the &quot;you&#39;re not foo kind of person, so your opinion means less&quot; argument, if you don&#39;t want to look like an asshole. </div>

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<div><br></div>-- <br><div><div><div>Steven Walling</div><div><a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/" target="_blank">https://wikimediafoundation.org/</a></div></div></div>
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