On 6/10/13, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Requiring a hoover to see a caption becomes an
impediment to non sight
readers who rely on various readers.
This format is used on sites like Flickr, Pininterest, Google+ etc.. while
many user spend there time just scraping these sites do we really need to
I've re-done the demo in a way hopefully more accessible to screen
readers (The caption text should be picked up by screen readers, even
if not visible.) Additionally the caption text should be visible when
tabbing through the page.
Not if implemented properly. e.g. utilising the
<img> tag's title/alt
attributes - in which case it's actually better than the current
Yeah, I'm not sure which is better, to stuff the caption in an alt
attribute (where we'd have to strip out the complex formatting a
caption could have, and where the caption could potentially not even
describe the image), or making the caption part visible to the screen
reader but invisible to the user [Galleries support adding an alt
attribute, but almost nobody does]. So far I've opted for the latter,
but I'm certainly not an accessibility expert. (I had a little fun
though today playing with the orca screen reader and testing. All I
can say is that it must be an extremely frustrating experience to be
One remaining issue is that the hover on captions thing is not very
effective with a touch screen...
How does an editor decide what image sizes are,
Not sure what you mean? Same way they currently do with a parameter to
the gallery tag.
this would be better
utilised within the category structure where the more important elements of
image size, and name could be displayed with the hover giving you linking
That's (part of) the intent.
I think with hover over captions as optional it could
be a big hit.
I've experimented with various methods of non-hovering. See
different options I've tried (You may have to scroll a little bit).
Cool. I thought it was interesting to view Special:newfiles with this script.
Thank you everyone for your feedback. I appreciate it (If you have any
more thoughts, keep it coming).
On 11 June 2013 10:20, bawolff
That's how its currently implemented (with an
attribute named mode). How
it all works (Or even if it gets adopted), will depend on the sort of
feedback I get.
You're 100% right, that this would not work well with the COM:QIC
workflow, and there are many places where the captions are important. But
would argue there are many places where people just have captions as a
place holder text since there is a spot for a caption (Many [not all]
galleries on commons fit this description). In particular, the captions
the auto-generated galleries in category listings are pretty useless, and
could easily be replaced with something triggered on hover.
Even in encyclopedic contexts, a gallery is used as a collection of
pictures, and the caption is a sort of "see also" text to provide further
context for if one of the images catches the reader's eye.
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Daniel Schwen <lists(a)schwen.de> wrote:
If this should find its way into core, it should
be made optional
(using an attribute of <gallery>)! Please be aware that this would
instantly destroy gallery applications like COM:QIC. Also from a
usability standpoint hiding the captions is probably not always a good
thing. Especially in the context of an encyclopedia rather than a
"pretty picture" site (like flickr).
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:36 PM, bawolff <bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
[Cross posting to commons-l and design list]
Over the last couple days, I've been looking at making our <gallery>
lot more slick. Compared to other websites, our
galleries look very
imo. This isn't that bad when it comes to
icon/clip art type media,
photos I feel we could really do better. So
I've tried to make the
be more compact, with rows of images all the same
height but different
width, and the caption visible on hover. The only downside to this is
borders of the gallery become a little ragged,
which mostly looks fine
(Possibly could be dealt with with js. Would
involve a bit of double
the images though).
A demo speaks louder than words, hence:
Additionally the wiki is open to editor (You need to register an
first), so please don't hesitate to experiment.
Anyhow, this is all still a work in progress, and I would really
your feedback/criticism/hate mail/love
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