2008/8/1 geni <geniice(a)gmail.com>om>: Well, yeah. Can any of the tl;dr be removed? I realise instruction creep only works upward ... - d.

2008/8/1 geni <geniice(a)gmail.com>om>: Per context, [[Special:Upload]] on Commons. - d.

If we could turn deleting copyvio's into a video game.... I'd never stop deleting things. Oh wait, I don't already. Moving on to the topic at hand. How about instead of revamping the upload page - we create an easy to find "GETTING STARTED" page for all newbies to commons. Maybe revamp COM:Welcome. It is wayyy too long. My screen res is set to 1680x1050 - and it is still more than a page long. We really need a simple page that gives the ultra short version of what commons is (like 1 sentence). What type of pictures we accept (1 sentence). Then a "How to get started guide", preferably with picture - which is how to signup, how to upload. Obviously we'll need lots of links to other places, like COM:L. But at least one small page to be less intimidating. As Cary said, copyvio'rs are going to figure a way in. Hell, most of the Copyvio'rs we have now _know_ wiki's inside and out. So we might as well make it dead stupid easy for newbies. -Jon [[Commons:User:ShakataGaNai]] On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Cary Bass <cbass(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

2008/8/1 Jon &lt;wiki(a)konsoletek.com&gt;om>: My one-liner for uselang=experienced is this: "Quick tips: upload full-resolution files - use meaningful destination filenames - write a meaningful description - add categories/galleries - give evidence (URL/OTRS) of free license release for work by someone else. " In a way, we can be scientific about this. We should try that. We can measure upload stats. We can record how many files get deleted within N days. (It would be super interesting to see that curve. Probably there is a value for N after which if a file survives that long, it basically survives forever.) We can record how many files get particular deletion tags. We can get the stats for a month based on our current forms. Then we can modify the forms, and record more stats. If the %age of suspect files stays the same or decreases, we have a winner. Especially if the absolute number of files uploaded increases (more than projection). I think in a big way, deliberately or non-deliberately, we nag people with info overload to discourage them from uploading, because that inherently discourages uploading of copyvios. And we do that because it's nearly the worst possible user experience to have your content deleted. (and it's more work for us.) Should we as a community push a lot harder for an extension that forces a user to go through a basic licensing quiz before being granted upload rights? <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/Licensing_quiz> and then massively simplify our upload forms. ? cheers Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/

2008/8/1 David Gerard &lt;dgerard(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: Not really. Oh we could probably move most of the help stuff onto a separate page but that is about it. Beyond that you start to lose functionality and making sure people understand what they are doing. -- geni