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Re: [Commons-l] On upload forms

Artur Fijałkowski

28 May 2008 28 May '08

6:06 p.m.

New look of special:upload is disaster! (where is field for image of ID scan?) http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload How to turn it off? AJF/WarX

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Patricia Rodrigues

28 May 28 May

7:43 p.m.

Please read http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#New… While you're at it, reading http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Be_civil might be a good idea before you call a long hard work on a functional system a "disaster". Best regards, Patrícia --- On Wed, 28/5/08, Artur Fijałkowski &lt;wiki.warx(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: From: Artur Fijałkowski &lt;wiki.warx(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: [Commons-l] How to punish contributors To: "Wikimedia Commons Discussion List" &lt;commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Date: Wednesday, 28 May, 2008, 5:06 PM New look of special:upload is disaster! (where is field for image of ID scan?) http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload How to turn it off? AJF/WarX _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Robin Schwab

8:15 p.m.

Patricia Rodrigues schrieb:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#New… While you're at it, reading http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Be_civil might be a good idea before you call a long hard work on a functional system a "disaster".

Hi Patricia Shure the previous comment was not so kind. But I wouldn't call the change user friendly either would you? To get the old comfort you now have to mess around with javascript. And you're still asked for the "date of work" while almost any camera records this accurately in the metadata. User friendlyness would be: "Your camera says this picture was shot Nov 13th 2007 9:12. Is that correct? Yes/correct". Regards Robin

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Cary Bass

8:51 p.m.

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Robin Schwab

11:04 p.m.

Cary Bass schrieb:

| | And you're still asked for the "date of work" while almost any camera | records this accurately in the metadata. User friendlyness would be: | "Your camera says this picture was shot Nov 13th 2007 9:12. Is that | correct? Yes/correct". This only suffices if it's an unedited photograph direct from a digital camera which records this. Anything else still has to be manually input.

There may of course be image editors with bugs. But take Photoshop and Irfanview as two common editors that handle the data correctly. Anyway it was just a side note. We need to improve overall usability on Commons. Search is another construction site... Regards Robin

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Matthew Brown

29 May 29 May

3:55 a.m.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Robin Schwab <contact(a)robinschwab.ch> wrote:

Cary Bass schrieb:

This only suffices if it's an unedited photograph direct from a digital camera which records this. Anything else still has to be manually input.

There may of course be image editors with bugs. But take Photoshop and Irfanview as two common editors that handle the data correctly. Anyway it was just a side note. We need to improve overall usability on Commons. Search is another construction site...

Unfortunately many scanners also embed this information, but it only applies to the date of digitization. I'm wary about assuming information embedded in the photo is correct, even if we ask the user to confirm. -Matt

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contact＠robinschwab.ch

1:46 p.m.

Matthew Brown <morven(a)gmail.com> hat am 29. Mai 2008 um 02:55 geschrieben:

applies to the date of digitization. I'm wary about assuming information embedded in the photo is correct, even if we ask the user to confirm.

Who can you trust then? The users brain? When I upload pictures taken more than one day ago I always watch the Metadata. I use a program to make folders for all images with the same date in the metadata. The date of scanned files is a different problem. Many users currently enter the date of scanning manually because they don't have the original date. Technique can't solve this problem but it won't make it worse. Regards Robin

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Jastrow

30 May 30 May

3:01 p.m.

Le 5/28/08 8:51 PM, Cary Bass a écrit :

| | And you're still asked for the "date of work" while almost any camera | records this accurately in the metadata. User friendlyness would be: | "Your camera says this picture was shot Nov 13th 2007 9:12. Is that | correct? Yes/correct". This only suffices if it's an unedited photograph direct from a digital camera which records this. Anything else still has to be manually input.

Why do we require the date of work, by the way? It strikes me as pointless for most pictures I upload. Marie-Lan

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Bryan Tong Minh

29 May 29 May

8:06 p.m.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Robin Schwab <contact(a)robinschwab.ch> wrote:

Patricia Rodrigues schrieb:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#New… While you're at it, reading http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Be_civil might be a good idea before you call a long hard work on a functional system a "disaster".

Hi Patricia Shure the previous comment was not so kind. But I wouldn't call the change user friendly either would you? To get the old comfort you now have to mess around with javascript.

Without having read the whole thread: Isn't there a gadget to turn the upload form off? If not it would be trivial to make. Bryan

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Maria Fanucchi

8:19 p.m.

On 5/29/08, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Robin Schwab <contact(a)robinschwab.ch> wrote:

Patricia Rodrigues schrieb: >

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#New…

> While you're at it, reading > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Be_civil might be a good

idea

before you call a long hard work on a functional system a "disaster".

Hi Patricia Shure the previous comment was not so kind. But I wouldn't call the change user friendly either would you? To get the old comfort you now have to mess around with javascript.

Without having read the whole thread: Isn't there a gadget to turn the upload form off? If not it would be trivial to make. Bryan _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

To use the old upload form you can go directly to this link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=e… or you can add the following script to your monobook.js: var UploadForm_forcebasic = true; --Maria

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Bryan Tong Minh

8:33 p.m.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Maria Fanucchi <marialadouce(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/29/08, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Robin Schwab <contact(a)robinschwab.ch> wrote:

Patricia Rodrigues schrieb:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#New… While you're at it, reading http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Be_civil might be a good idea before you call a long hard work on a functional system a "disaster".

Hi Patricia Shure the previous comment was not so kind. But I wouldn't call the change user friendly either would you? To get the old comfort you now have to mess around with javascript.

Without having read the whole thread: Isn't there a gadget to turn the upload form off? If not it would be trivial to make. Bryan _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

To use the old upload form you can go directly to this link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=e… or you can add the following script to your monobook.js: var UploadForm_forcebasic = true; --Maria _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

People who don't like the new upload form can now disable it via the Gadgets tab in My preferences. Personally I would say that this form is a huge improvement :) Bryan

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Alex Nordstrom

7:28 p.m.

Wednesday, 28 May 2008, Artur Fijałkowski wrote:

(where is field for image of ID scan?)

Not sure I understand what that means. Could you elaborate or rephrase? -- Alex Nordstrom http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:LX Please do not CC me in followups; I am subscribed to commons-l.

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Alex Nordstrom
Artur Fijałkowski
Bryan Tong Minh
Cary Bass
contact＠robinschwab.ch
Jastrow
Maria Fanucchi
Matthew Brown
Patricia Rodrigues
Robin Schwab