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---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Multimedia] [Wikitech-l] Video output changing to WebM VP9/Opus soon To: Wikimedia-tech list wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Wikimedia Foundation Multimedia Team multimedia@lists.wikimedia.org
Just an update -- background transcoding has been restarted now that we're switched back to the Virginia data center where the majority of encoders are.
Converting the lat 1/3 of videos to VP9 should be finished by the end of November, approximately. At that point we'll probably start removing the old VP8 versions to free up space.
-- brion
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 12:05 PM Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
These conversions have been running in the background, at a moderate load to ensure we don't slow down newer uploads much, and are up to the "P"s alphabetically so we're on schedule. :)
I've temporarily stopped the batch process pending the upcoming datacenter switchover test, and will continue once it's switched.
-- brion
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 2:06 PM Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
Quick update... no major problems noticed so far. One configuration change I made was to re-enable VP8 transcodes for new files, since disabling them completely lead to the existing ones not being used. Later in the transition, or afterwards, we'll clean up the now-unused VP8 transcodes.
If I'm reading numbers in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TimedMediaHandler/VP9_ transition/reports right, almost 5% of files by count or 12% by duration have been converted so far.
That leads to a remaining duration somewhere between 9 weeks (assuming 9 days did 12% of stuff) and 24 weeks (9 days did 5% of stuff), depending on actual factors like whether the remaining files are the same mix of resolutions, and how we adjust the load balance on the job queue.
-- brion
On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 11:22 AM Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
Batch process is continuing... over 2200 source videos have been compressed to VP9 so far, of the 120k+ total in the system.
Seeing big improvements in overall compression, though it's hard to tell how representative the subset of conversions done so far is. I'll post occasional updates to the transcode report charts at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TimedMediaHandler/VP9_transition/re...
In the histograms you can see that not only is the average bitrate down for VP9 vs VP8, but there's a larger "spread" between low and high bandwidth in the VP9 versions thanks to the constrained-quality configuration vs the old fixed bitrate target. This allows files that compress well to use fewer bits, while those that have high frame rates or lots of detail/motion use more bits to encode higher quality than they did before.
It will take at least a few weeks to recompress everything, and we may or may not want to increase the number of simultaneous jobs (so far the servers are running beautifully, but are a bit under-loaded).
-- brion
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 5:51 PM Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
Configuration has been updated and VP9 mode swapped in. Newly uploaded videos should start encoding as VP9 starting now.
I'll start the backfill batch process tonight or tomorrow, and will likely stop and restart it a few times over the coming weeks if anything needs adjustment. Please file tasks in phabricator and/or give me a ping on IRC if any issues come up with the new conversions, or with old files! (Existing VP8 files will be left as-is for now until we're sure everything's up to snuff.)
Big thanks to everybody who's helped prepping this, with libvpx and ffmpeg deployments, with the patches and review, and with final deployment which always takes longer than you expect. :) This'll be a nice improvement to our video output for now, and lays a lot of groundwork for next steps.
-- brion
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 5:47 PM Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
Oh and one more thing!
For the VP9 configuration I'll be enabling 1440p and 2160p ("4K") resolutions, which people can manually bump up to when watching videos with a suitable 4K source on a high-res screen. They use higher data rates, but only a small fraction of input files are 4K so should not significantly increase disk space projections for now.
These can take a long time to compress, so if we find it's problematic we'll turn them back off until the jobs can be split into tiny chunks (future work planned!), but it works in my testing and shouldn't clog the servers now that we have more available.
(Note that the ogv.js player shim for Safari will not handle greater-than-HD resolutions fast enough for playback, even on a fast Mac or iPad; for best results for 4K playback use Firefox, Chrome, or a Chromium-based browser.)
-- brion
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 5:39 PM Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
Ok, after some delay for re-tweaking the encoding settings for higher quality when needed, and pulling in some other improvements to the config system, all related updates to TimedMediaHandler have been merged. :D
If all goes well with the general deployments in the next few days, expect the beginning of VP9 rollout starting next week.
Changes since the earlier announcement:
- the new row-multithreading will be available, which allows higher
threading usage at all resolutions; encoding times will be more like 1.5-2x slower instead of 3-4x slower.
- switch to constrained quality with a larger max bitrate: many files
will become significantly smaller in their VP9 versions, but some will actually increase in exchange for a huge increase in quality -- this is mostly 60fps high-rate files, and those with lots of motion and detail that didn't compress well at the default low data rates.
-- brion
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 9:46 AM Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
> Awesome sauce. Thanks Moritz! > > -- brion > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 7:39 AM Moritz Muehlenhoff < > mmuhlenhoff@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 01:54:18PM -0700, Brion Vibber wrote: >> > Current state on this: >> > >> > * still hoping to deploy the libvpx+ffmpeg backport first so we >> start with >> > best performance; Moritz made a start on libvpx but we still have >> to >> > resolve ffmpeg (possibly by patching 3.2 instead of updating all >> the way to >> > 3.4) >> >> I've completed this today. We now have a separate repository >> component >> for stretch-wikimedia (named component/vp9) which includes ffmpeg >> 3.2.10 >> (thus allowing us to follow the ffmpeg security updates released in >> Debian >> with a local rebuild) with backported row-mt support and linked >> against >> libvpx 1.7.0. >> >> I tested re-encoding >> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wall_of_Death_-_Pitts_Todeswand_2017... >> (which is a nice fast-paced test file) from VP8 to VP9, which >> results in >> a size reduction from 48M to 31M. >> >> When using eight CPU cores on one of our video scaler servers, >> enabling row-mt >> gives a significant performance boost; encoding time went down from >> 5:31 mins >> to 3:36 mins. >> >> All the details can be found at >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190333#4324995 >> >> Cheers, >> Moritz >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > _______________________________________________
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