Ayelie wrote: Then we will kindly explain how things work and gently fix things for them. - c.

On 9/11/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: Wasn't there something like a "Click here if you have a free image" image on en for biographies? Might work here as well. Bryan

On 11/09/2007, Cary Bass <cbass(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Redesig… The current images are bloody horrible. Do we have anyone handy with SVG who thinks they're a good designer? Also to come up with a suitable replacement text. - d.

On 11/09/2007, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com> wrote: I mean as in Durova did. She wrote her article for promotional people. - d.

Time will come when there'll be a niche for "freelance consulting experts" who'll propose their services to PR departments to upload media to Wikipedia in a way that complies with Wikipedia regulations...

On 9/11/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: They could be good-quality and have a hard-to-remove watermark. Who is going to go through 200+ images a month and remove watermarks? It isn't easy, and we already have large backlogs. Prevention is key, but unfortunately a lot of people in the commercial industry (including pro photographers who are uploading pictures for commercial reasons) have issues with not being directly credited. Remember the hullabaloo with the sports photographer repeatedly reverting his image to the watermarked version, leading its protection and his departure? New images are great, but perhaps we should emphasize that watermarks are Not Allowed. Not just discouraged, but Not Allowed. On an encyclopedia, having a watermark leading to a website amounts to promotion and such images shouldn't be on articles purporting to be NPOV. -- Ayelie ~Editor at Large

On 11/09/2007, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: We have banned them for self uploads. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#User-created_images 4th para. -- geni

On 11/09/2007, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: Visible tags or watermarks inside images are strongly discouraged at Wikimedia Commons. So information like "Mr. Foobar, May 2005, CC-BY-SA" shall not be written directly in the image but in EXIF fields, which is technically even superior. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Manipulating_meta_data#Purpose_fo… -- geni

On 11/09/2007, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com> wrote: I've noted in the comments on Durova's article that watermarked images are verboten on en:wp and ill-favoured, i.e. likely to be deleted, on Commons - and even if a watermarked image survives on Commons, it's unlikely to be used on en:wp precisely because of the watermark. - d.

On 9/11/07, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com> wrote: Drafted a sort-of policy here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Watermarks Please take a look and edit, fix, discuss, etc. if you have suggestions or if I made any mistakes. Thinking on it now, we could perhaps condense the info by moving suggestions and tips to another page and linking them from the "official policy" page, which only contains the basic rules? Input much appreciated :) -- Ayelie ~Editor at Large