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Florian Straub

29 Jun 2008 29 Jun '08

1:32 p.m.

Another new addition to The Commons: http://www.flickr.com/people/bibliothequedetoulouse/ Best regards, Flo

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Nicolas Guérin

9 Jul 9 Jul

3:10 p.m.

New subject: [Commons-l] Flickr: Bibliothèque de Toulouse

English version : For the license, it's probably public domain now, but we have no indication about when the photographs died. Does anyone have an idea how to proceed? Send an e-mail to the library of Toulouse to ask them to etablish a list of the photographs and when they died? French version : En terme de licence c'est probablement tombé dans le domaine public, encore que on ne sait pas l'année de mort de la plupart des photographes. Est-ce que quelqu'un à une idée? Envoyer un courrier à la bibliothèque demandant la liste des photographes et leur année de mort? Greatings Guérin Nicolas 2008/6/29 Florian Straub <flominator(a)gmx.net>et>:

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Another new addition to The Commons: http://www.flickr.com/people/bibliothequedetoulouse/ Best regards, Flo _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

Andrew Gray

3:24 p.m.

New subject: [Commons-l] Flickr: Bibliothèque de Toulouse

2008/7/9 Nicolas Guérin <nguerin.zurich(a)gmail.com>om>:

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"Among several historic collections, there are 5,000 photographs of life in the Pyrénées, the mountains that divide France from Spain. The pictures paint a unique landscape of life in the region at the beginning of the 20th Century, and were taken by Eugene Trutat, a former curator and director of a local museum..." All the photographs seem to be labelled "Fonds Trutat", & are his work - can we find out when this guy died? Yes we can, as the Americans say ;-) http://www.flickr.com/groups/745449@N25/ "Directeur du Muséum d'Histoire Naturelle de Toulouse et figure majeure du Pyrénéisme, Eugène Trutat (1840-1910)..." Is 1910 a suitable death-date for public domain in France? -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

Magnus Manske

3:26 p.m.

Well, I looked at the first photo in the photostream, and the photographer is "Trutat, Eugène". That guy has its own wikipedia article: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eug%C3%A8ne_Trutat which says he dies in 1910. We could have a script to create/update a photographer list. We could maintain a list ourselves, and have tools query it. Magnus 2008/7/9 Nicolas Guérin <nguerin.zurich(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Nicolas Guérin

3:43 p.m.

New subject: [Commons-l] Flickr: Bibliothèque de Toulouse

Yes, it's Eugène Trutat dead in 1910 ( i found the following link in french speaking about those pictures http://bibliotheque20.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/flickr-en-bibliotheque-toulo…) All the pictures uploaded on Flickr by "Bibliothèque de Toulouse" are from him and it seems that they plan to upload thousands of pictures (the full collection is about 5000 pictures) As it's written that images on Flickr are "scans" from original pictures, it's clearly Public Domain according to the french law. Cordially Guérin Nicolas 2008/7/9 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>om>:

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English version : For the license, it's probably public domain now, but

have no indication about when the photographs died. Does anyone have an

idea

how to proceed? Send an e-mail to the library of Toulouse to ask them to etablish a list of the photographs and when they died? French version : En terme de licence c'est probablement tombé dans le domaine public, encore que on ne sait pas l'année de mort de la plupart

des

photographes. Est-ce que quelqu'un à une idée? Envoyer un courrier à la bibliothèque demandant la liste des photographes et leur année de mort? Greatings Guérin Nicolas 2008/6/29 Florian Straub <flominator(a)gmx.net>et>:

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Guillaume Paumier

9:14 p.m.

Hi, On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Florian Straub <flominator(a)gmx.net> wrote:

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Another new addition to The Commons: http://www.flickr.com/people/bibliothequedetoulouse/ Best regards,

Yep, sorry, I thought this had already been posted. Before importing these images en masse from flickr, I'd like to contact them first to see if we can find a more direct solution; this library is in my city and I've got some contacts with their representatives. -- Guillaume Paumier [[m:User:guillom]] « Quand on veut plaire dans le monde, il faut se résoudre à se laisser apprendre beaucoup de choses qu'on sait par des gens qui les ignorent. » Nicolas de Chamfort.

Nicolas Guérin

11 Jul 11 Jul

3:26 p.m.

New subject: [Commons-l] Flickr: Bibliothèque de Toulouse

well, it is fast enough to download them with Flinfo : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Fonds_Trutat Guérin Nicolas Le 9 juillet 2008 23:14, Guillaume Paumier <guillom.pom(a)gmail.com> a écrit :

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Hi, On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Florian Straub <flominator(a)gmx.net> wrote:

Another new addition to The Commons: http://www.flickr.com/people/bibliothequedetoulouse/ Best regards,

Florian Straub

5:47 p.m.

Nicolas Guérin <nguerin.zurich(a)gmail.com> wrote on fri, 11 jul 2008 17:26:29 +0200

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well, it is fast enough to download them with Flinfo : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Fonds_Trutat

... which now automatically puts PD-old below Trutat images :) Best regards, Flo

Nicolas Guérin

7:11 p.m.

New subject: [Commons-l] Flickr: Bibliothèque de Toulouse

Cool! It's still strange that for the "date" it wrote often "January 19, 2038 at 00:13" I have to replace it on most of the pictures. Best regards Guérin Nicolas 2008/7/11 Florian Straub <flominator(a)gmx.net>et>:

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Nicolas Guérin <nguerin.zurich(a)gmail.com> wrote on fri, 11 jul 2008 17:26:29 +0200

well, it is fast enough to download them with Flinfo : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Fonds_Trutat

... which now automatically puts PD-old below Trutat images :) Best regards, Flo _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

Platonides

12 Jul 12 Jul

12:08 p.m.

New subject: [Commons-l] Flickr: Bibliothèque de Toulouse

Nicolas Guérin a écrit:

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Cool! It's still strange that for the "date" it wrote often "January 19, 2038 at 00:13" I have to replace it on most of the pictures. Best regards Guérin Nicolas

Some kind of [[w:Year_2038_problem]], but 00:13 is before the epoch January 19, 2038 3:14:07 I guess those images are before 1901-12-13 ?

Florian Straub

13 Jul 13 Jul

10:24 a.m.

Nicolas Guérin <nguerin.zurich(a)gmail.com> wrote on fri, 11 jul 2008 21:11:24 +0200 [Flinfo]

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It's still strange that for the "date" it wrote often "January 19, 2038 at 00:13" I have to replace it on most of the pictures.

is it always the same date? Do you have some examples for me? Best regards, Flo

Nicolas Guérin

14 Jul 14 Jul

6:21 p.m.

New subject: [Commons-l] Flickr: Bibliothèque de Toulouse

Many pictures, examples : For image ID 2555386507, Flinfo gives December 31, 1969 at 20:58 For image ID 2555854762, Flinfo gives January 19, 2038 at 00:13 For image ID 2574843817, Flinfo gives January 19, 2038 at 00:13 For image ID 2553729622, Flinfo gives January 19, 2038 at 00:13 For image ID 2553390610, Flinfo gives January 19, 2038 at 00:13 etc... Best Regards Guérin Nicolas 2008/7/13 Florian Straub <flominator(a)gmx.net>et>:

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Nicolas Guérin <nguerin.zurich(a)gmail.com> wrote on fri, 11 jul 2008 21:11:24 +0200 [Flinfo]

It's still strange that for the "date" it wrote often "January 19, 2038 at 00:13" I have to replace it on most of the pictures.

is it always the same date? Do you have some examples for me? Best regards, Flo _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

Nicolas Guérin

15 Jul 15 Jul

6:35 a.m.

New subject: [Commons-l] Flickr: Bibliothèque de Toulouse

I forgot to say, yes all the pictures with a "Flinfo date" problem are taken before 1900 as i remember. I give many examples below with pictures taken in 1885, 1892, 1895, etc. Most of time, comes the date "January 19, 2038 at 00:13", even if the pictures on Flickr are tagged with different years before 1900.

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Another thing, i tried to upload pictures from the Smithonian Institution, but it appeared another problem, i.e. many pictures have the mention "unknown author". Even if those pictures are old and are released under the license "no copyright restrictions known", i'm still not sure we can upload them. Can someone give me some indications about that? Best Regards Guérin Nicolas 2008/7/13 Florian Straub <flominator(a)gmx.net>et>:

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Nicolas Guérin <nguerin.zurich(a)gmail.com> wrote on fri, 11 jul 2008

21:11:24 +0200 [Flinfo]

It's still strange that for the "date" it wrote often "January 19, 2038 at 00:13" I have to replace it on most of the pictures.

Florian Straub

4:07 p.m.

Nicolas Guérin <nguerin.zurich(a)gmail.com> wrote on tue, 15 jul 2008 08:35:06 +0200

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Try http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Template:Flickr… Best regards, Flo

Florian Straub

11 Sep 11 Sep

9:38 p.m.

Nicolas Guérin <nguerin.zurich(a)gmail.com> wrote on mon, 14 jul 2008 20:21:45 +0200

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2008/7/13 Florian Straub <flominator(a)gmx.net <mailto:flominator@gmx.net>>: Nicolas Guérin <nguerin.zurich(a)gmail.com <mailto:nguerin.zurich@gmail.com>> wrote on fri, 11 jul 2008 21:11:24 +0200 [Flinfo]

It's still strange that for the "date" it wrote often "January

19, 2038

at 00:13" I have to replace it on most of the pictures.

is it always the same date? Do you have some examples for me? Best regards, Flo

Should be fixed now: Dates before January 1, 1970 and after today are no longer inserted. Best regards, Flo

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Andrew Gray
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