Did you know that "Bundt pans" is a copyright status? [[:category:Copyright_statuses]]->[[:category:Free_licenses]]->[[:category:GNU_licenses]]->[[:category:GFDL]]->[[:category:Periodic_table]]->[[:category:Chemical_elements_by_periodic_table_group]]->[[:category:Periodic_table_group_16]]->[[:category:Oxygen]]->[[:category:Oxygen_compounds]]->[[:category:Organo-oxygen_compounds]]->[[:category:Carbohydrates]]->[[:category:Sugars]]->[[:category:Sweet_food]]->[[:category:Cakes_and_cookies]]->[[:category:Cakes]]->[[:category:Bundt_cake]]->[[:category:Bundt_pans]] It was news to me. I guess I always knew that being a Harry Potter character would impact something's copyright status, but without commons I never would have known that this connection involved the humble hydrogen atom: [[:category:Copyright_statuses]]->[[:category:Free_licenses]]->[[:category:GNU_licenses]]->[[:category:GFDL]]->[[:category:Periodic_table]]->[[:category:Chemical_elements_by_periodic_table_row]]->[[:category:Periodic_table_row_1]]->[[:category:Hydrogen]]->[[:category:Hydrogen_compounds]]->[[:category:Water]]->[[:category:Bodies_of_water]]->[[:category:Islands]]->[[:category:Islands_of_Europe]]->[[:category:Ireland_(island)]]->[[:category:Ireland]]->[[:category:Culture_of_Ireland]]->[[:category:Languages_of_Ireland]]->[[:category:English_language]]->[[:category:Literature_of_England]]->[[:category:Writers_from_England]]->[[:category:J._K._Rowling]]->[[:category:Harry_Potter]]->[[:category:Harry_Potter_Characters]] (nevermind the fact that anything in the child cat is almost certainly an unlicensed derivative work...) I don't think most people realize it... But our category system is terribly broken today. I have provided just a few example which are fairly easy to fix, but everywhere you look in the category system you can find problems like this. Sometime in the not too distant future we will gain a search system which allows us to perform category intersections. People will be able to search for images which are in combinations of categories. It could be very powerful... But it will not be very powerful, because categories have been broken into zillions of tiny sub-categories. Instead of Category:Men or Category:Human_males we use Category:Human_male_who_lived_in_the_1960s_and_liked_to_wear_funny_hats. You might think that there would be a Category:Men which would be a parent of this category, and you would be right.. But it is not useful because even if we ignore the large computational burden of finding all the children of a category, we're still left with the sad fact that due to semantic drift, the supercategory would contain many things we do not want, just like my examples at the top. Many higher level categories often a substantial subset of all the categories on commons. (Copyright statuses is a 'parent' of about 13% of all the commons cats). Direct navigation is nice, but it doesn't scale to millions of images. For people to be able to find images on commons they will increasingly depend on search. We need to radically change how we use categories if we are going to make them 'machine readable' in a manner which enables search. To facilitate this change, we need to stop breaking categories into tiny subcategories. Instead, we should use broad conceptual categories which will work well when intersected with other categories. We should also include all categories that apply. For example, a antique car might be placed in [[Category:Transportation devices]], [[Category:Cars]], [[Category:Ford motor products]], [[Category:Manmade]], and [[Category:Antiques]] rather than in [[Category:Antique ford motor products]]. This shift will make categories less useful as a direct navigational tool. However, many categories are already poor devices for direct navigation due to an inability to place their content in order which is sane to humans, and an inability to include explanatory text inline. For human navigation we have gallery pages, which are more powerful for that application. Categories would still keep their parent child relationship, but we would acknowledge that fact that such categorization is useful for humans to navigate to find categories... and that it's not a useful too to have the computers traverse. Unless I find huge opposition here, I'm going to begin changing the commons instruction pages to reflect this use of categories rather than our historic use.