I am fully aware how complicated botany is. But it is much easier for a botanist to make sense of it if for example they get a list of leaf images that have their features pre-identified rather than an unsorted list of leafs (or even unsorted lists of all kinds of images of which most is unrelated to botany). This is to narrow down their work, not replace them altogether.

For a learning set they need no less than 6 images per type and wikispecies often only has one...

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2011/9/27 Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com>
Commons works to have all plant photos identified by species and these link to WP articles they would fnid commons as a better fit by being the database for their software...From our POV a focus on copyright issues would be a more valuable tool

2011/9/27 とある白い猫 <to.aru.shiroi.neko@gmail.com>
  Certainly it is their first attempt in plant identification. They are dealing with very few species of plant as well. Such phone apps could eventually be very useful as for example you point your phone at... anything and it links to the wikipedia article - in the language setting of your phone! Consider this labs progress in the next few decades... To them we are just another image repository but unlike other image repositories we are seeking to tag images in less specialized manner. For instance an image repository for birds would generally avoid tagging birds by color but instead by species or some other scientific categorization, commons on the other hand wouldn't mind such categorization.

  As I said before, people shouldn't expect perfect species identification overnight but perhaps this could be the result of research for the next few decades. They currently are considering dropping commons because they do not see any use for commons, we could show them potential fields of research using commons by basically telling them about our problems. For instance dealing with images we frequently delete (over copyright, trolling and etc) could easily be a task for them.

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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 20:39, Paul Houle <paul@ontology2.com> wrote:
 On 9/26/2011 1:32 PM, Andre Engels wrote:
>
> Every small category is a part of a big category. A system such as
> this will not be able to specify plant species, but it might well be
> able to find pictures of plants. If it then gives a list of plant
> pictures that are not in some plant category, animal pictures that are
> not in animal category, buildings that are not in a regional building
> category, maps that are not in a map of category, paintings that are
> not in a painter category, famous people that are not in a people
> category etcetera, it could deliver those to volunteers to further
> classify.
>
      The ImageCLEF people are getting such great results because
they're working in a specific and limited domain
      The goal is to identify plants by looking at their leaves.  An
obvious application is to build this into a mobile device -- you could
snap a picture of a leaf on a plant or remove a leaf and photograph it
against a good surface and it tells you what sort of plant you're
looking at.  This would be a great tool for any gardener's toolbox,
anywhere on earth.

      I'm looking forward to seeing people solve more problems like this.

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