Hoi,
Much of the "ordering around" is the consequence of LOSING the images
when Commons decides to no longer make media files available. Even when a
project allows for things like "fair use", the images are lost to them when
Commons decides to remove access.
When the information is Wikidatified, the image in a project will still
refer to that Wiki project and it WILL state that Commons has removed it
from the media files that are generally available. It is then for the
people to grant a local right to use that image.
In this way Commons does what it thinks best and the local projects
gained the ability to do whatever fits their policies.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 22 June 2014 08:38, Rama Neko <ramaneko(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It makes as much sense to say that Commons is a
repository for other
Wikimedia projects, than to say that Wikipedia is here to provide
encyclopedic context to the media of Wikimedia Commons.
Where the real asymetry lies is in the feeling of superiority of certain
users of others projects who see Commons as a "service project", and from
there construct the notion that jackbooting in and ordering people around
is remotely legitimate (and, to be practical, has a chance to work).
There is a small number of users, always the same, who regularly attempt
to push an agenda of lax copyright standards for Commons; when this fails
they try to impose their proposed policies by drumming up support from
people with vested interests from other projects, and notorious
authoritarians. Has anybody ever seen an influx of Commonists flocking to
wp.he to "treat it as a problem"?
That is where the real problem is. The issue is not hosting these media,
they can be hosted locally on the projects that use them as
"Free-but-not-on-Commons", or as "Fair use". The issue is beating
Commons
into submission, as an aim in itself. Well, pardon us if we object.
-- Rama
On 21 June 2014 19:19, Yann Forget <yannfo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rama,
Sorry, but you have it all wrong.
1. Wikimedia is a repository for other Wikimedia projects. It is its
primary mission.
2. But this does not make Commons contributors second-class. On the
opposite, importing and managing files for other projects make them
first-class IMHO. ;oD
Yann
2014-06-21 10:04 GMT+05:30 Rama Neko <ramaneko(a)gmail.com>om>:
> Commons is not there to serve other projects. Commons is a project of
its
> own standing, and the other projects are there to serve it just as
much as
> it is there to serve other projects.
>
> It is really dispiriting to see how certain people see Commonists as
some
> sort of second-class contributors. That is wrong in every sense of
the word
> -- it is an error and an injustice.
> -- Rama
>
>
>
> On 20 June 2014 23:45, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 20 June 2014 22:28, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> > Blocking because people do not agree with you is very much
antagonising.
>> > The
>> > intention is that Commons serves other projects so why is someone
>> > blocked
>> > when they make sure people take notice of what is happening at
Commons?
>> > I fins it is rather offensive all these !@#$%%. It gives the
impression
>> > that
>> > there is no conversation possible and that it has degenerated into
a
>> > power
>> > play.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've noted before: If Commons doesn't want to be regarded as a
problem
>> by other projects, it really needs to start behaving less like one.
>>
>>
>> - d.
>>
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