I'm going to add my voice to the "yeah, that wasn't cool". To give a bit of an anecdote, John Vandenberg and I were doing a demonstration of Commons to some librarians and cultural curators yesterday, and it was a bit of a rude shock seeing that particular image on the frontpage. One of the more elderly contributors remarked on it to me privately in a negative sense afterwards, all I could do was look embarassed and say "Yes, it's a bit of a racy image, isn't it. Can't imagine how anyone thought that would be a good idea". That's probably one contributor who won't be beating a path to our door in the future.
And, at the risk of editorialising here, those who are responding to this criticism by claiming that we're asking for "censorship" or that the freedom to plaster graphic images over the Commons frontpage is a battle for liberty along the lines of the fight against slavery or for universal suffrage... need to take an aspirin and have a good lie down. Nobody is claiming that such images are not within Commons' scope; they quite clearly are, just like pictures of penises, medical procedures, and other images that people might find unpleasant are. Should they be in scope for the main page though? I don't think so, the same as a picture of a genital piercing, Osama bin Laden's bloodied corpse, or other pictures that could possibly cause innocent people to get in trouble should be out of main page scope. As a community, I think most of us are mature enough to apply a common sense test to these things, and common sense would indicate that that image was likely to be one that would cause needless offense to people and hurt the project.
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Tobias Oelgarte <firstname.lastname@example.org>
If we buy this contributions with a loss of liberty. Then yes.
Nothing is as worthy as liberty.
Am 17.05.2011 10:22, schrieb Gnangarra:
Is this picture worth more than 137,000 news images,
Is this picture worth the loss of xontributions from GLAM
Is this picture worth the cost of denying other contributors the
opportunity to participate.
On 17 May 2011 16:16, Tobias Oelgarte <email@example.com>
Am 17.05.2011 02:34, schrieb Neil Kandalgaonkar:
> On 5/16/11 8:21 PM, Cary Bass wrote:
Another board for decisions? Just leave the communities alone.
>> We need an active group of contributors who
represent at the very least
>> some cross-section of not only Commons contributors
but of interested
>> re-users of Commons content to actively monitor and
maintain the POTD.
>> This is not the first time that something
inappropriate for Main Page
>> content has appeared and I doubt it will be the
> That is definitely a practical solution. POTD are
scheduled long in
> advance, so that could solve the problems here pretty
quickly. The image
> in question is, IMO, unambiguously inappropriate for
Commons, and this
> shouldn't have been a difficult debate.
> On the other hand it feels a bit wrong to me. In that
case we're asking
> groups that are relatively underrepresented in Wiki
culture to take on
> the role of policing. I feel like they ought to have
some rights to a
> welcoming environment as a baseline. That said, in a
wiki context, it
> seems to be impossible to achieve such baseline
freedoms, as long as the
> offenders have large amounts of free time.
> So some people are going to have to make the sacrifices
to change the
> Another worry: if there's a "quality control board",
> unofficially, they can start to take that role too
seriously or become
> captured by various radical factions. But I guess we
have to take that
handle it very well on their own. Any board i know failed in
points. An good example from the German Wikipedia is the
"Schiedsgericht". This is the last call if some users can't be
from offending each other. But this board isn't trusted at all
constantly breaks down. Just because it is seen as needless.
What im seeing here is the construction of an government which
even democratic, getting very close to a dictatorship. Or as
we said in
the GDR: One party, elected by itself.
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