Which Wiki? To be honest, I don't mind publishing this message elsewhere, but I'm getting quite tired of this. I've been very angry about this whole issue, and I wrote many messages to several mailing lists and talk pages. I heard things that really made me upset, and I wrote responses that can't be regarded as a model of good manners. I am not sure I can handle it anymore.

Thanks a lot,
Dror

ציטוט Michael Maggs:
Hi Dror

Why not discuss this on wiki?

Michael

Dror Kamir wrote:
  
I hear many time that people think this is a great project, but in fact 
the Commons' administrators were quite hostile towards it from its very 
beginning. Like in many other issues, most of the complaints were 
technical, but I cannot believe that technicalities are the problem 
here. None of the images lack source. The person who contributed the 
images and relinquished his/her copyrights is always mentioned, but not 
in the field where the administrators expect it. The fact that the 
"description" template is produced automatically makes this minor error 
very easy to ignore or fix. An administrator merely needs to look two 
lines below, and if it is really disturbing, an automated process can 
fix the error in the future. Many people upload images manually and the 
risk of error there is much higher. The fact that these technicalities 
were enough to block the project (not the bot, but the whole project, as 
this bot is actually the door between the localized interface and the 
Commons) makes me wonder whether these technicalities are just an excuse.


The Commons, the Wikipedias, the Foundation and the chapters are all 
part of one structure. The Commons' administrators have more privileges 
than any other element in this structure. They are entrusted with a huge 
international project, seen by people from five continents, they are 
selected for indefinite period of time, and they don't have to reveal 
their identity. It is also unclear who they are accountable to. These 
privileges mean that the administrators need to be extremely careful and 
cooperative. The fact that none of the administrators ever thought of 
contacting a chapter to consult it about local copyright arrangements or 
to suggest project related to the Commons is an indication that most 
administrators are not aware of the structure within which they operate, 
and don't understand the way Wikimedia works.


Being an administrator at the Commons doesn't necessarily mean deleting 
images whose source is unclear or approving controversial material on 
the account that it is "educational". Being an administrator also, and 
most importantly, means knowing the way the Wikimedia movement works, 
being interested in new projects, offering help, and being fully 
cooperative with new initiatives. Think about it - had one of the 
administrators sent a template code to the email of the Pikiwiki 
project, the whole "source issue" would have been resolved. However, the 
administrators chose to take a passive approach, complain about the 
minor error without explaining it properly, and blocking the project 
eventually. This is not how things should work. The administrators also 
must remember that the rules are there to serve the community. It is not 
the community that need to serve the rules. The spirit of the project 
always comes before the technical rules. If obeying the rules becomes 
more important than the spirit of the project, then it's a sign that the 
project is decaying.


Dror K


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