On 26 June 2014 12:22, Chris McKenna <cmckenna@sucs.org> wrote:
> THIS is the crux of the issue. You are insisting on statue or caselaw to
> prove that these files are Free beyond ALL conceivable doubt because the
> copyright outside Israel is legally ambiguous but in practice any copyright
> that may or may not exist is extremely unlikely to be enforced.

You? Geni is not King/Queen of Commons.

> The Wikimedia Foundation lawyers have said that it is OK to host, and the

No. Please supply a link to WMF Legal's published statement saying this.

> majority of people complaining about Commons want Commons to host, files
> that are free beyond reasonable doubt unless and until a _valid_ takedown
> request is received that removes the doubt.

There was an RFC, this was not the closing statement, in fact nothing like it.

Commons is not ruled by "people complaining about Commons", this would
not be consensus, it would be a complainer-ocracy that would certainly
run the project straight into the ground, probably being led by the
"hasten the day" lobbyists.

> In the Israeli example, the positions can be summed up as:
> Israeli government: We don't hold copyright on these images
> Commons admins: You haven't explicitly disclaimed copyright outside Israel,
> we demand that you do.

No, "Commons admins" have made no such statement.

> Reasonable people: Only the copyright holder can disclaim copyright, the
> Israeli government say they do not hold copyright and so cannot disclaim it.
> Commons admins: You're wrong, now go away and get teh Israli government to
> disclaim the copyright they say they don't have.
> Reasonable people: But they can't!
> Commons admins: We say they can, so they must be able to.
> *Repeat*

No, "Reasonable people" is a bizarre polarizing statement. It divides
the world into the "right thinking good people" and makes everyone
else unreasonable Satanists, or something similar.

I don't see how fiction that seems intended to polarize or unfairly
parody the entire Commons community is a good use of this list.

Fae
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