Andrew,

I think one general issue is the lack of transparency (and community involvement) in the decision making discussions. Not the documentation of the decisions once done. That's good to have but if we have transparency as a guiding principle, we should include that in the discussions too.

My 2c

Andrew Otto <otto@wikimedia.org> schrieb am Fr., 7. Okt. 2022, 18:40:

FWIW, the WMF Data Engineering team has had some discussions about this in the past, and we decided that all decisions and real work doc has to be either in Phabricator or on a Wiki.  We use Slack or IRC to discuss things, but if we come to a conclusion, we try to  summarize and document the conclusion in Phab.  I think we do this well with most things, but not as well as we should with annual and quarterly planning docs (I think these are in google docs and better works).

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 10:54 AM Bryan Davis <bd808@wikimedia.org> wrote:

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 1:14 AM Taavi Väänänen <hi@taavi.wtf> wrote:
>
> As a final note, I've been referring to the #wikimedia-cloud-admin IRC
> channel and the cloud-admin mailing list as public venues. While
> technically true (the IRC channel and the mailing list archives are
> public), I don't think those are mentioned anywhere on Wikitech and
> cloud-admin subscription is moderated for non-staff (and I have a vague
> memory of my subscription being rejected before I had Toolforge admin
> access). I think there's some work to be done here to make it easier for
> people to get involved.

The cloud-admin@lists.wikimedia.org mailing list has always had public
archives (which are much more useful now that we have mailman3) but
closed membership. The intent of this list was never to be a forum for
community discussion, but we did consciously choose to make the
archives open so that interested parties could see the discussions
that were held here.

Bryan
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